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131 days ago.
by absolem
Kendall78
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Executive Orders: Good, bad or depends?

In recent months there have been a lot of discussion about the President and his use of Executive Orders. The question is, are Executive Orders a good thing or bad? If one party within Congress is hindering government so badly, is the President correct to use the Executive Order to go around them?

 
 

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Kendall78

I would still like you to tell me what my "Marxist bent" is. Otherwise you seem to commiting libel against me.

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

"It's supply and demand you must deal with both sides of the equation."

I have said nothing that goes against this. I agree with your comment. My only critique is where the moral blame is greatest and I put more of the blame for the situation on our Govt and companies than the illegals.

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

"Companies that hire illegals don't create illegals"

Perhaps not but they are offer incentive for illegals to come here. And you have to admit...those illegals are working and probabaly harder than your average US citizen.

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

"Yeah Kendall we know your Marxist bent"

Really? How about you tell me because I am unaware of it. Please...do tell.

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

"If there were not law breaking immigrants there would be none to hire"

That's why a better border would be nice and if employers would just not hire them.

Of course, how many private US citizens also hire them for cheap labor? They would be as guilty as anyone else.

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

There are realstic limits to what the average person can do. Most of the people from Central America heading this way have virtually no power in their own nations.

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

"where does this honor begin to form?"

Honor begins with wanting to improve one's own life. I'll never fault those who are wanting to come here for a better life but I will fault those who give these people the way to violate the law.

It might make us pay double for our produce and other goods, but I still say they should hammer those that hire illegal immigrants. $10K fine everytime it's discovered a business has hired an illegal. Kick out mayors that won't listen to the Federal Govt and won't enforce the laws. Remove Govs who won't enforce the laws.

The illegal immigrants are the least to blame for this issue.

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

"It's not the number of orders but the context and subject that is important."

You mean like orders that seizes western lands without getting congressional approval?

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

It's also worth noting that the 2 Presidents that have a lower Executive Order count were both one term (or less in Ford's case) Presidents.

Unless I am mistaken, President Obama is on his way to becoming the lowest Executive Order issuing two-term President since the Civil War.

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

Perhaps but it's highly doubtful that the vast majority of them will stay there or want to.

Back on the main topic, many people say that President Obama is trying to be "King" Obama with his use of the Executive Order. The problem is that Obama is no where close to using the Executive Order as much as other Presidents in the past 100 years.

From 1908-2008 there have been 19 Presidents. Only 2 of those Presidents (George H.W. Bush & Gerald Ford) issued less Executive Orders than Obama has so far. To get caught up to the legendary Reagan, he would have to issue another 199 Executive Orders. Considering that Obama is averaging 30-31 Executive Orders per year...I doubt he will make it.

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

That could be one of our nation's unofficial mottos.

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

Perhaps, though I can't fault a person for coming to the greatest nation on Earth and try to make their way here.

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

"We have no idea who is coming across that border,"

That just means you don't know if they are liberal, marxist or even looking out for a handout.

Posted 367 days ago.

mythravere

It was really interesting to see things get spun around.

The angle I was reading from was the liberal one on Huffington Post.

This kind of action can also be observed on right leaning news sites also.

No either this playing to people's fears is intentional or its just showing how utterly fractured the people are in this nation.

I can't decide which is more troubling.

Posted 367 days ago.

mythravere

I mean the psychology of manipulation is well known.

Take these judgements handed down by the SCOTUS the other day.

I watched in real time as those rulings came down and what they meant.

By late that evening the headlines on those rulings was in all honesty not reflective of the reality of those rulings.

It was all gloom and doom. Which honestly wasn't warranted at all.

Posted 367 days ago.

mythravere

"This is just another cynical attempt to further divide and conquer"

Oh I think they are succeeding.

What if all the media was controlled by one centralized group who used each sides ingrained fears to keep them from uniting around any kind of a common cause. There by dividing and conquering the people.

I am really starting to wonder if that isn't the real game being played.

I am starting to wonder that if all of this political strife is the result of a campaign to make the people of nation more controllable.

Posted 367 days ago.

mythravere

Alright here's a question. Given how many latin American countries are ran. Corruption and overrun with drug cartels. Can anyone really blame them for heading north?

Wouldn't you try and get away from that too?

Posted 367 days ago.

Kendall78

"more conservative Latin Americans would probably not risk"

I would figure most illegals are usually young adults and are as conservative as most young adults that come from a conservative background. They are naturally more apt to taking risks and have liberal ideas. However, it is highly likely that as they get older they will revert to the conservative background they came from.

Posted 368 days ago.

Kendall78

Keep in mind that I'm calling them conservative by cultural background and not politically. I agree that since the Republicans are demonizing them, they probably have no reason to vote Republican.

Tired, you are making an error in equating conservative with being morally good. Neither liberal or conservative has a monopoly on morals.

The notion that illegals are here to get free stuff is an error because it also implies they just want to stay in a welfare state. There is NO evidence that these people want that.

Posted 368 days ago.

harryanderson

I'm the descendant of a pioneer who "broke into his neighbor's house," fought his neighbor, and took away the land his neighbor used. Am I ashamed of this? No.

Maybe I'm much more conservative than my ancestor, who certainly didn't resist change and wasn't afraid of uncertainty, even to the point of living in fear of being scalped with his family.

Posted 368 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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