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528 days ago.
by Ohwiseone
harryanderson
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Conservatives aren't racist, but there is a problem

Kendall says most conservatives aren’t racist. That’s true, in my experience. Almost all my friends are conservative. I have some friends who express racist attitudes, but those same friends don’t espouse small-government conservative principles. I do see a problem with the conservative media. In their eagerness to advance their cause, they often don’t use wisdom when they promote someone. Case in point: Cliven Bundy.

 
 

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Kendall78

"SO MAKING A RACIST COMENT IS UNFORGIVABLE REALLY?"

Lol...save the drama. In the world of politics, racist comments are usually unforgivable but I'll add that they can be ignored which has happened many time in the past.

"You think you decide what is unforgivable Kendall?"

Nope, never said I did but perhaps MSNBC and Fox did because they pretty much dropped on Bundy equally after the whole racist thing.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

"Hmmmm funny how civil disobedience is acceptable if it's MLK"

It must not have been since at the time he was arrested many times.

"MLK or some black pathers at a polling place"

You are comparing MLK with the Black Panthers?

"but anyone who challenges the govt is an enemy of socialist progressives."

Bundy has been challenging them for years and the Feds finally got sick of him not paying the fees he knew he was suppose to pay.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

Though it comes from a reuter's blog...this blog had some interesting pics and info with it. Only someone with their head in the sand would think there wasn't any potential illegal activities going on in relation to what was going on with the Bundy situation.

blogs.reuters.c om/photographers-blog/2014/04/23/nevada-showdown/

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

" You accuse this man of crimes that may or may not be guilty of without trial?"

So you must have missed that "sniper" on the bridge when the Feds were confronting Bundy. Yes, whether he meant to or not, Bundy encouraged certain crack pot elements in our society to act stupidly.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

"The left certainly raised up Sandra Flucke and made her their idol queen."

They did? Well, at least she didn't fail them by doing something utterly unforgivable like making a racist comment that had nothing to do with her position on birth control.

Posted 726 days ago.

harryanderson

Anyone labeling Bundy and his gunsels "patriots" seriously lacks good judgment.

Posted 726 days ago.

harryanderson

Cliven Bundy doesn't need his racial views to convince us of his lawless nature. He's refused to pay lawful, but modest, fees for using our land, like responsible ranchers. He's defied court orders. He's allowed, maybe even encouraged, supporters to brandish arms at our law enforcement officers. He's declared himself exempt from our laws. No, he doesn't need racism to show us who he is.

Posted 726 days ago.

The left certainly raised up Sandra Flucke and made her their idol queen.

But the left has trouble finding average hard working Americans to use for influencing the public. Not too many of us admire the money sucking leeches promoted by the democrats. Americans mostly don't like socialist ideas. That is why liberal talk radio fails, and MSNBC stays in the bottom of the rating tank along with CNN.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

" I have corrected the record,.."

No you haven't. The only thing you have shown is that there are those on the Left that have racist views. That is all you have done.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

"Now we begin with the insults and the superiority complex you seem to have."

I have done nothing you have not done. Lol, your whole "epic fail" and calling one "deluded" stuff is the very heart of having a superiority complex" and insults young one. I am sorry if you are not young, your attitude on here makes me think you are.

"You always do.."

There are no absolutes in debate. I don't always do anything anymore than you always doing something.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

Wrangling this back to the topic a bit more.

I feel the Right has the habit of raising up certain everyday individuals that come to represent an idea before they know enough about them. In no way am I saying it doesn't happen on the Left but not in recent years to the same level or intensity that the Right does.

Does Bundy have a legit argument about not paying the Fed govt it's fees? Perhaps. Did his racial views have anything to do with it? Nope, not unless he was projecting his racial views onto the Feds because of Obama being the head of it, but that hasn't been confirmed.

Did the Right know enough about Bundy before all the attention he got? I think the obvious answer is no or they wouldn't had anything to do with him.

I do not think that Bundy represents the Right because I know the Right isn't racist anymore than the Left is. Personally I just wished that the Right had the ability to distance themselves from questionable people as the Left seems to be able to do.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

"Not your best effort"

I was aiming at your level of intellect. Guess it worked.

Now then dear child, in the adult world of debate...it is up to you to cite such things. Otherwise you are just being intellectually lazy.

I won't do your homework for you. Now if you want to claim there was some kind of support that equates to the support Bundy got, please feel free to cite them.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

"One of [the] people reportedly responsible.."

So, you don't know for sure if they were responsible?

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

"Shall I quote all the dems that voiced support???? Naaaa, you can do that yourself."

Couldn't find any. Guess you failed.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

You just don't understand any of it do you.

Every single example you have given isn't the equal of what Bundy was.

Not one of your examples was lifted up so quickly and was so utterly unknown by the Left as Bundy was to the Right.

Does the left have racist members? Yes, that is the only thing you have shown.

Stick with checkers, obviously you don't know chess.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

Also, the Occupy Movement was a group unlike Bundy. As you should be aware of, a single individual that represents an idea can be raised up and cast down so much faster than a group can.

Look at the Tea Party Movement as a comparison. Did they have racists within their movements? Of course they did but did that destroy the movement? No. Because just because some no name members might be racist, it didn't hinder the whole. However, when you are a single individual that also represents an idea, like Bundy and the whole idea the govt is over reaching, then it's so much more easy to destroy the idea by destroying him.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

"The occupy movement was embraced by the left and sure was an embarrassment."

What do you mean exactly by "embraced" here? Did any of the Dems in Congress join them or stick their neck out to say they really believe in them?

The only people that really embraced them were those that 100% agreed with them. Most people I know that lean Left did not agree with their tactics. They were an embarrassment but again, they were not raised up as quickly or high as some on the Right lifted Bundy.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

"you don't see them raising up people like Louis Farrakhan or Sharpton in the way recent people raised up Bundy."

No I don't. When the media (Left or Right) talks about those two, they know exactly their views on race before they even talk. As stated before, they are a known quantity. Bundy was not and the failure resulted in those that hoisted them up looking rather foolish.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

"you are deluded if you believe that."

No, I am not. MSNBC doesn't represent the Left Wing Media anymore than Fox News represents the Right. In no way am I trying to say that MSNBC isn't a part of it but they are not the bastion of the Left Wing oriented media. To say it is would be to say that everything from the Huffington Post to The New York Times isn't that important.

Posted 726 days ago.

Kendall78

"Again, bundys views on race, sports, or politics have nothing to do with the issue of grazing on federal land."

With that I totally agree. Anything the man has to say about willfully not paying the fees due to the govt has absolutely nothing to do with his position on Race.

"It's an attempt to smear him in the public eye to distract from the facts of the case."

Yep...sadly it happens in politics all the time and it shouldn't.

Posted 726 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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