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99 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Kendall78

Stillwrong is still at it isn't he? Trying to say what isn't but too afraid to say what is.

I wonder if he knows the definition of insanity?

Posted 630 days ago.

mythravere

By the way. The models aren't mine. They are the product of the scientists hard work. Please give credit where credit is due.

Posted 631 days ago.

mythravere

Maybe its not sticking because I'm not advocating a socialist agenda.

I know that you really want to believe that because it makes conversing with me and the others a lot simpler for you...but it just doesn't reflect reality.

Posted 631 days ago.

mythravere

"Even Steven Westfall agrees that global warming is a hoax"

LOL! I dont even care.

But I guess its to be expected that you'd play that card.

Posted 631 days ago.

mythravere

"We don't hand over our energy sector to GOVT on THEORIES."

No one here is saying that should be done.

But I get it. It's a talking point you love to repeat. Or really you have to repeat it so that you keep your conservative card. LOL!

Posted 631 days ago.

mythravere

Apparently Tiredofit doesn't know the definition of scientific theory.

He's confusing scientific theory with just a plain theory which is significantly different from the common usage of the word "theory", which implies that something is a conjecture, hypothesis, or guess (i.e., unsubstantiated and speculative).

Well...no surprise there!

Posted 631 days ago.

harryanderson

@Kendall,

Actually, the two main theories of why Antarctic ocean ice is increasing both have global warming as their cause.

“The two main contenders are shifting winds around the Antarctic continent (possibly linked to the ozone hole or the warming of the continent), which could be smearing the sea ice out over a larger area, and a pool of fresher water around the continent resulting from the melting of continental glaciers.”

ht tp://ww w.weather.co m/news/science/environment/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-all-time-record-high-nsidc-20141008

Claire Parkinson, a senior scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, says,

“The planet as a whole is doing what was expected in terms of warming. Sea ice as a whole is decreasing as expected, but just like with global warming, not every location with sea ice will have a downward trend in ice extent.”

ht tp://ww w.nasa.go v/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/#.VDgbc0tGifc

Posted 631 days ago.

mythravere

"larry moe curley AND shemp, I have em all out"

A trolls only ambition. LOL!

Posted 631 days ago.

Kendall78

"Antarctic sea ice level breaks record, NASA says"

Such a small amount and yet it says so much about the dishonesty of Stillwrong.

1. Does Stillwrong consider NASA a credible source in general? Of course not because 99% of what they put out about climate change he would disagree with.

2. Sea ice? What about the ice on the continent itself Stillwrong....tell us how that is doing ;)

Posted 631 days ago.

harryanderson

@ Mythravere Your posts are educational. Glad to see someone has the brains to look past the headlines.

As to the deep oceans, the NASA press release also says, "Study coauthor Josh Willis of JPL said these findings do not throw suspicion on climate change itself. 'The sea level is still rising,' Willis noted. 'We're just trying to understand the nitty-gritty details.'"

ht tp://ww w.nasa.g ov/press/2014/october/nasa-study-finds-earth-s-ocean-abyss-has-not-warmed/#.VDdzC91HarU

Posted 631 days ago.

mythravere

Stillhere. Do you just blindly find headlines that you think/assume support what you believe then fire them off on here without reading them?

Posted 631 days ago.

mythravere

Though some global warming cynics might see the ice trend as an opportunity to dispute the larger climate trend, the statistics on the Arctic warming indicate otherwise. NASA says that on an annual average basis, Arctic sea ice has decreased at a rate of 4.3 percent each decade since 1979, whereas in the Antarctic, sea ice has increased at a rate of 1.7 percent every 10 years.

Despite the current increase in Antarctic ice cover, scientists say the trend is likely to reverse in the future as global warming heats the planet.

Also from CBS News.

Posted 631 days ago.

mythravere

"When we think about global warming we would expect intuitively that ice should also be declining in the Antarctic region as in the Arctic," NASA's senior research scientist Josefino Comiso explained. "But station and satellite data currently show that the trends in surface temperature are most positive in the Arctic while in the Antarctic region the trends are a mixture of positive and negative trends," he said, adding that cooling and declining sea surface temperatures could also contribute a "more rapid advance at the ice edge."

Snowfall could also be behind the growing ice pattern. NASA explains: "Snow landing on thin ice can actually push the thin ice below the water, which then allows cold ocean water to seep up through the ice and flood the snow - leading to a slushy mixture that freezes in the cold atmosphere and adds to the thickness of the ice."

From CBS News.

Posted 631 days ago.

mythravere

"But while the ocean depths have cooled, the top layers of the ocean have been warming, which JPL says is an “unequivocal” sign of global warming. "

Context is everything. NASA never said that there was no warming. Also global warming isn't uniform.

Posted 632 days ago.

mythravere

Funny how you ignored those parts of the story.

Posted 632 days ago.

mythravere

“The deep parts of the ocean are harder to measure,” said JPL’s William Llovel, the study’s lead author. “The combination of satellite and direct temperature data gives us a glimpse of how much sea level rise is due to deep warming. The answer is — not much.”

Ocean warming has also been a major explanation for rising sea levels because water expands as it warms. JPL study authors noted that sea levels are still rising, but ocean warming contributed almost nothing to this rise since 2005.

But while the ocean depths have cooled, the top layers of the ocean have been warming, which JPL says is an “unequivocal” sign of global warming. Recent studies have pointed to upper ocean warming — below 0.4 miles deep — as evidence of heat-trapping that is causing the planet to stay cooler than it otherwise would."

From the Daily Caller.

Posted 632 days ago.

mythravere

"But this theory seems to fall apart in the face of a new report by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), which analyzes satellite and direct temperature data to conclude that the ocean’s depths — below 1.24 miles — have not warmed since 2005."

Posted 632 days ago.

Kendall78

"It's okay to believe people on some things, but not on others. I don't know anybody who's always right."

Of course and that is a rational point of view. But Stillwrong doesn't share that thinking. He supports the Doc and gives no reason why he supports him. So one might as well say that he supports the Doc simply because of who he is.

Posted 635 days ago.

harryanderson

@ ohwiseone,

You've picked an excellent source of information if you're getting your information from Dr. Michael Mann, an actual climate scientist who has the expertise to understand the issue. He's published 160 peer-reviewed papers.

And Dr. Mann's trustworthiness has been investigated and he's been cleared of fraud. He's withstood political attacks, like the investigation Va. Attorney General Ken Cuchinelli conducted against him and the CRU hacked emails fake controversy.

In all these, Dr. Mann was exonerated of any fraud.

So Dr. Mann has expertise and investigations have failed to find him untrustworthy. He's a good source.

Posted 635 days ago.

harryanderson

@Kendall,

It's okay to believe people on some things, but not on others. I don't know anybody who's always right.

But here's the main point: I don't know of any climate scientist who disputes the basic tenet of global warming: that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

Posted 635 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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