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94 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

Hey Stillhere you do know that this" Hasn't warmed in 18 years ." is talking about atmospheric warming right?

You do know(but will deny)that scientists have found increased heat in the upper layers of the ocean?

Posted 585 days ago.

mythravere

Ha! God LOL! I knew you was gonna trot out the Fox thing. Whew! This is hilarious.

I told you that I found enough evidence to point that ol Roger Ailes had at the very least given direction to people as to what needed to done so that Canada could have their own propaganda news outlet.

LOL! All you have to do is to look at what they wanted to change in the law. Its so Foxy in its nature lol!

Posted 585 days ago.

Kunectdots

"Political Heat: What Climate Change is Really About"

h ttp://blogs.cbn.c om/hurdontheweb/archive/2012/07/19/political-heat-what-climate-change-is-really-about.aspx

Posted 585 days ago.

mythravere

"So let me get this straight,

Cooling is warming Warming is warming Drought is warming Rain is warming Hurricanes are warming Lack of hurricane is warming So far so good?"

Its really sad that you just can't wrap your head around how a warming planet will affect all facets of the climate/weather.

LOL! Someone states that global warming may lead to more severe winter storms...lol...I bet your head just spins!

How can that be you think? Never mind the facts that show that although the polar areas may be warming they still are cold. Never mind that weather patterns might shift uncharacteristically during the season and cause say the jet stream to dive farther south than normal bring cold air into contact with an atmosphere whose water content has increased because of an increased amount of evaporation because of a warmer atmosphere.

Nah never mind all of that.

ITS A FRAUD....lalalalalalalala!

Posted 585 days ago.

mythravere

Hey I'd be willing to listen to someone other than you take a crack at showing that the world isn't warming up.

The reason why your opinion will not suffice comes down to you letting your political ideology inform you rather than the facts.

Of course you will chortle 'what facts'. But its been spelled out so much for you so many times it ain't even funny.

But I and the others figured out your game a long time ago. Ask for proof..deny proof...claim none was given.

Posted 585 days ago.

No one told us global warming would be white and deep. More fraud.

Posted 585 days ago.

Thatsabsurd

I'm in my 2nd week of Globewarmers school. Its darn tough acting as stupid as they want us to be. Next week they teach how to lie, cover up our lies and lie some more. We have to do this with a look as if we are edumacted and smart. The week after that they teach us how to fold our tin-foil hats and when were done we get our graduation pictures taken wearing them.

They said be careful after they dumb down we may walk smack into a glass door but that's not the worst part....they say we will back up and walk right back into it.

Posted 586 days ago.

harryanderson

"He is a very prominent skeptic and surely one would have to entertain his thoughts before making up ones mind that the sciences is settled."

First, I never said the "science is settled." I'm convinced it isn't.

Second, I have entertained Dr. Ball's thoughts, thanks to you, and I've found them unconvincing for the reasons previously listed.

Posted 604 days ago.

harryanderson

“Its a place to argue, and to post dueling links that are dismissed out of hand.”

I don’t see it as a place to discount others’ ideas. I don’t dismiss your links “out of hand.” I look. (When you post links, that is; it’s often hard to tell which words are yours and which words you’ve copied and pasted.)

I check. That’s how I discovered Dr. Ball acknowledges not being knowledgeable enough in physics to challenge greenhouse gas theory. You pointed me in that direction.

As far as. Ball being “very prominent,” he isn’t prominent in current scientific circles. In his curriculum vitae on his website, he states that his last “significant publication” was 30 years ago, in 1984.

ht tp://drtimball.co m/_files/dr-tim-ball-CV.pdf

Here again, I wouldn’t have known this had you not pointed me to it.

So while Dr. Ball is prominent at the Heartland Institute, on Glenn Beck, and Coast to Coast AM radio, he’s not significant in scientific circles.

Posted 604 days ago.

harryanderson

Stillhere, I thank you for your newfound courtesy, which makes debate more pleasant.

I never consider seeking truth a “game.”

I concede that Dr. Ball is a climatologist. I also take back my statement that he’s a “geography teacher.” While that’s literally true, it’s misleading, and I should have researched it more before I posted. Very careless of me. He was a professor of climatology in the Dept. of Geography.

So yes, Dr. Ball is one climatologist who denies global warming is a greenhouse gas. His specialty seems to be in the historical record rather than the physics.

Still, I’m not swayed by his disavowal of CO2 as a greenhouse gas for two reasons.

1. Among a great many climatologists, even skeptical ones, he’s apparently alone in his disavowal.

2. He admits to an “inadequate understanding of physics to openly challenge” the theory that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

So have a good w/e.

Posted 604 days ago.

moderation

Tired- it can be determined what species of plant life existed at specific points in time. And a good weekend it will be.

Posted 604 days ago.

harryanderson

So I checked it out and found that, past the headline, Dr. Ball wrote,

"Several years ago at a conference someone questioned CO2 as a greenhouse gas. A senior climate skeptic gave what I considered a political answer. He said it was foolish to say it was not a greenhouse gas. The best approach is to say the human contribution was insignificant. I disagreed, but had inadequate understanding of physics to openly challenge. "

See more at: h ttp://drtimball.co m/2012/co2-is-not-a-greenhouse-gas-that-raises-global-temperature-period/#sthash.F2DbxbY5.dpuf

Dr. Ball admits that his "inadequate knowledge of physics" keeps limits him.

And that is to be expected, since Dr. Ball is a retired geography teacher, and not a climate scientist.

So I still don't know any scientist who disputes that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

Posted 604 days ago.

harryanderson

"CO2 is not a Greenhouse Gas that Raises Global temperature. Period! by Dr. Tim Ball"

I'd lime to check that statement out. Did it come from you? If not, would you care to name your source?

Posted 604 days ago.

harryanderson

Yes, I'm convinced that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, since I know of no climate scientist who denies it.

The only ones I know of who deny it are politicians and cultural warriors, but I don't value their their opinions on science very highly.

Posted 604 days ago.

harryanderson

"There seems to be a connection between warmer cycles and CO2 but I am not convinced is there is a cause and effect."

Every climate scientist I know of agrees there is a cause and effect relationship. Even those who disagree with the majority position--like Judith Curry and Richard Lindzen--agree the atmospheric CO2 traps heat. They disagree on the magnitude of the effect, not that an effect exists.

Posted 604 days ago.

harryanderson

Sure we need a mature, responsible electorate. We need voters who are inoculated against power-mad propagandists who try to make every issue into a political and cultural war.

Look at climate science. Cultural polarization keeps people from agreeing on a basic fact: one I have never seen an actual climate scientist dispute.

It's mad, and it's destroying our country. If we don't come to our senses, we're headed for another civil war.

Posted 604 days ago.

harryanderson

So, Stillhere, do you agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that prevents heat from escaping a system like the earth?

Posted 604 days ago.

mythravere

If I had my way people would be "elected" on merit and qualifications alone with special attention paid to possible conflicts of interest that they might bring into play if they were given a position in government.

Like having former members of the large financial institutions running the government department that oversees said institutions.

I can't really do justice to what I have in mind on here. It would take pages of posts to layout what I am thinking.

Posted 604 days ago.

mythravere

If I had my way I'd throw everyone in an elected position out of government. Then I'd set the system up where basically government positions would be filled by a sort of selected service type of system.

A person with say an education background and of the right experience would be asked if they want a four year term as say head of the government education dept.

The main point is to put a full stop to those that seek power in political form.

Anyone looking for power is not to be trusted.

We can see very well that special interests have a chokehold on almost every aspect of government.

In my opinion that is the existential threat that this nation faces.

Posted 604 days ago.

mythravere

"Could be to further slide into the BIG GOVT socialist system. (anti capitalism)"

As far as that goes. I am more concerned with a government that flat out doesn't work at all.

And with our country becoming more and more divided over partisan issues that disfunction is just going to get worse.

There are things that we need to get done. Failing infrastructure for example. But those things aren't even on anyones radar because everyone is fighting over hot button issues.

Posted 604 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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