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93 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

Exactly, and that title shows that you lied. The title refers to "an anti-science campaign," not anti-science individuals.

Posted 780 days ago.

mythravere

Now I am going to sit back and chortle as Ithink and her ilk strut about like they got a chip on their shoulder.

heheheheheheheheheheh!!!!!!!

Posted 780 days ago.

mythravere

All that study proves is that the positions on science that the Tea Party types hold are born from the guidance issued forth by their corporate handlers.

If they comprehend science so well then why do they reject its findings so readily.

I've said it before and this shows it full well that facts mean nothing to them.

Posted 780 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit

You’re not telling the truth when you say I’ve called people anti-science. You know that’s not the truth because we’ve been over this ground before. I challenged you to show where I called any INDIVIDUAL anti-science, as opposed to STATEMENTS and CAMPAIGNS. You couldn’t name a single instance.

And now you repeat your falsehood. You’re using a classic technique of liars: repeat the lie over and over, and hope people will believe it

Posted 780 days ago.

It is not at all hard to find, Kendall. Greta and Meghan Kelly both gave details last night. Both are reputable lawyers. Here you are.Bing has other choices, I did not try google.

h ttp://w ww.examiner.c om/article/taxpayers-spend-400k-to-study-the-cognitive-abilities-of-the-tea-party

Posted 780 days ago.

Kendall78

Didn't find any reputable study to back your claim. Could you please give a proper citation.

Posted 780 days ago.

Government $400,000 study shows tea partiers are higher in scientific understanding. They sure got fooled. Don't watch for this news on your alphabet soup channels. Either google or look at Fox.

Posted 781 days ago.

Kendall78

Sort off the topic but is there some unspoken rule that you either have to accept everything science says or absolutely none of it?

Posted 781 days ago.

harryanderson

“Oh Kendall take a hard look at the UN and IPCC see what they have to gain.”

I did take a hard look at the IPCC. It claims “It reviews and assesses the most recent scientific, technical and socio-economic information produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of climate change.”

I believe that’s what they have to gain—to assess the latest data and provide a knowledge base for policymakers of all political persuasions.

I’ve seen no credible evidence that the IPCC was set up to rob us of our freedoms, as some folks have suggested.

Posted 781 days ago.

harryanderson

When discussing what climate is normal , it’s useful to consider the past record. A study this year found “Surface temperature reconstructions of the past 1500 years suggest that recent warming is unprecedented in that time.”

****sciencemag.or g/content/339/6124/1198.abstract So, if the warming is unprecedented over the last 1500 years, it’s safe to say the recent warming isn’t “normal.” Since the climate is warming at an abnormal pace, we should be thinking of how we’re going to adapt to it.

Posted 781 days ago.

Kendall78

I'm too much of a redhead to ever consider too warm as good ;)

Posted 781 days ago.

Kendall78

If by "warm" you include such things as the depleted ozone layer...I will disagree it is good.

Posted 781 days ago.

harryanderson

As to the suggestion that there is no proof rising CO2 levels are warming the earth.

The over 600 scientists who contributed to the IPCC 5th assessment disagree. The assessment concluded that the human influence on global warming is

“unequivocal.”

Posted 781 days ago.

Kendall78

Normal is based on averages. As the graphs in this article shows, the last few decades have been anything but on average and therefor not normal. (h t t p://w w w.vancouverobserver.c o m/blogs/climatesnapshot/we-just-experienced-4000-years-global-warming-two-decades)

Posted 781 days ago.

harryanderson

As to the suggestion that the climate models have all failed.

Gavin Schmidt of NASA, who provided a usable explanation of climate modeling, says they haven’t failed. He concluded:

“Climate models are unmatched in their ability to quantify otherwise qualitative hypotheses and generate new ideas that can be tested against observations. The models are far from perfect, but they have successfully captured fundamental aspects of air, ocean, and sea-ice circulations and their variability. They are therefore useful tools for estimating the consequences of humankind's ongoing and audacious planetary experiment.”

ww w.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/schmidt_04/

Posted 781 days ago.

Kendall78

I do not ignore failed predictions. However, unlike some people...I do not ignore the overall fact that the Earth's overall temp is rising faster than it should under normal circumstances.

Just because the predictions were not spot on, the important fact to glean from the research is that the Earth's overall temp is rising and it is having an effect upon the overall climate.

It comes down to this..the world is getting warmer. It's either due to mankind's added influence to an already unstable climate system or....what? Nature just up and decided to speed up warming with no evidence to why.

Posted 781 days ago.

Kendall78

When it comes to Climate Change, I try to ignore the politics of it all and try to focus on the science.

And science has shown that there is more to climate than weather. The Gulf Steam is a prime example. It brings warm water up to N. Europe. But as ice disappears in the arctic, the flow of water move further north and Europe won't get as much of the warmer waters. This will have a profound effect on the continent. "Snowball Earth" is an example of what could happen if the climate changes enough in the wrong ways.

Posted 781 days ago.

Kendall78

Yes...over time but how much time? If mankind does damage to the climate it could take centuries for it to fix itself. But of course, mankind would have to let it fix itself and does that look like it's going to happen in the near future?

"so to say that weather is meaningless to climate is a fools errand."

Then why is it that the climate change deniers seem to ignore super cyclones in the Pacific? Snowstorms in the Middle East? Warmer weather in the Arctic? Seems that they turn a blind eye to weather that doesn't support their views.

Posted 781 days ago.

Kendall78

I wait for the end of the world like any christian.

I'm not trying to save the world at all.

"False facts only make things worse."

You should quit giving out those false facts then.

"We do not control the climate."

Not one person has ever said on here that we did.

"God created the earth and He will end it."

God also created man but a bullet in between the eyes will end it.

Posted 781 days ago.

In all the drastic, but wrong, hurricane predictions that I read, climate change was given as the cause. Now you are trying to weasle out of it.

I am here on our beloved farm enjoying a future of God's choosing. I picture Kendall, puffed up with self importance, waiting for doomsday at Walker. If he can only convince the ignorant to join him in saving the world. False facts only make things worse. We do not control the climate. God created the earth and He will end it.

Posted 781 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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