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98 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Kendall78

As far as websites or new articles on the topic, credible information again should include scientists specializing in Climatology.

Polling and petitions should always be scrutinized in these arguments.

Posted 769 days ago.

Kendall78

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I do not believe that the funding in question has made any measurable amount of climate change scientists skew their information or evidence.

I am open to any credible scientific source for information. Such sources on the topic we are discussing should include the research and findings of actual climatologists and not those that have doctorates in other fields. I mean, who cares what a Doctor in British Literature thinks about climate change..right?

Posted 769 days ago.

Kendall78

That article you cited didn't say anything about if global warming is or is not happening. Just that the ice melt of that peticular area was not due to anthropogenic global warming but climate variability.

Posted 769 days ago.

And by the way, the rescue ship is now stuck, too. The people were safely put on another boat, thank goodness.

Posted 769 days ago.

h ttp://w ww.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/03/antarctic_ice_shelf_melt_lowest_ever_recorded_just_not_much_affected_by_global_warming/

"Antarctic ice shelf melt 'lowest EVER recorded, global warming is NOT eroding it'."

Myth keeps thinking he needs to educate us about the Polar Regions. He and a few others here are the ones who need to read up.

Posted 769 days ago.

Kendall78

I have no faith in the IPCC. I merely observe the information from them and other sources and arrive to my own conclusion on the matter.

You might consider that the problem isn't that there are people that look at the evidence and conclude that climate change and global warming is happening.

But that the opposition has failed to explain why global warming and climate change are not influenced by man.

Posted 769 days ago.

Kendall78

Most of humanity isn't covered in snow. The world is bigger than select sections of the US.

Posted 769 days ago.

Kendall78

Some people cannot see the forest for the trees. Then there are those that can't see the forest because they got their face up against a single tree.

Posted 769 days ago.

harryanderson

Weather events aren’t climate.

According to NASA, “In most places, weather can change from minute-to-minute, hour-to-hour, day-to-day, and season-to-season. Climate, however, is the average of weather over time and space.”

ww w.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

And, according to Politifact, “Data from NASA shows 13 of the hottest years on record have come in the last 15, and by a different data set produced by NOAA, 14 of the hottest years on record have come in the last 15.”

ww w.politifact.co m/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/feb/15/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-12-hottest-years-record-have-com/

That’s time and, since NOAA and NASA study worldwide trends, space, which makes it a CLIMATE trend. What happens in Parkersburg at a particular time is WEATHER.

Posted 770 days ago.

mythravere

Oh and not I don't disagree with it. If its correct..who knows where you got that info.

Posted 770 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit do/can you understand this.

The polar regions are still cold..sorry brrrrrrrr.

Seasonal weather patterns can and do bring the cold down to us. Which is what is happening monday.

I mean do you really think that our local just gets cold?

Where do you think that cold is coming from.

Subtle temperature changes can have very large and detrimental effects on the biospheres of this planet.

Subtlety and the noting of it isn't something you rightwingers seem to be good with.

Its either black or white or on or off with you guys.

Where's the inbetween? Wait there is none.

Posted 770 days ago.

mythravere

I know your really want this to be an embarrassment for those who believe that man is causing climate change but it really really really isn't.

If you look at the ship in those pictures..obviously and icebreaker with a hull hardened against the ice...you will see that it was captured by pack ice. You know a whole bunch of ice chunks that come together and can surround and sink vessels in some cases.

Shackleton's expedition for example.

Being that the Antarctic hasn't seen changes in temperature like the northern polar regions this can still happen there. Its can still happen in the Arctic too.

Your comments smack of ignorance on the subject.

Sorry but its true.

Posted 770 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit I am not taking personally at all. But when I see you making asinine comments on a topic like this and are missing obvious details and facts....I really like pointing that out...totally for the sake of argument.

Posted 770 days ago.

harryanderson

“These scientists that tell us all about artic ice diminishing…”

The boat isn’t in Arctic ice, as the above quote suggests; it’s in Antarctic ice.

There are large differences between the climates, geography, and ice caps of the Arctic and Antarctic. For example, Antarctica is much colder. And much of the ice in Antarctica is land-based, whereas all Arctic ice floats in the sea.

Read more at

htt p://nsidc.or g/cryosphere/seaice/characteristics/difference.htm l

Posted 770 days ago.

Yes, actually, it is a lot thicker than Al Gore said it would be by now. This stuck boat is another huge embarrassment for the warmers.

Posted 770 days ago.

mythravere

Here's the thing. Its only ironic to you. And the folks like you.

You know the ones who dont know what they are talking about.

Even a prepared expedition can find itself in a situation that wasn't planned for or anticipated.

By the way. Even with the planet warming up. The south polar regions are still seriously cold.

So cold that planes can't fly into the research stations if its too cold because the metal in them may break.

Posted 770 days ago.

harryanderson

Glad they have a way to rescue the crew and passengers.

Posted 773 days ago.

h ttp://w ww.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2531159/Antarctic-crew-build-ice-helipad-help-rescuers.h tml

Well, they failed and will have to be airlifted off the ship or ice. This article has nice pictures. Nice comments, too.

Posted 773 days ago.

Kendall78

Also Australia exports more coal than any other nation, which should mean that they use much less than the other nations.

Totally random but while looking up this info I thought this little fact was odd:

The US is #4 in exporting coal but #13 in importing it. Our economics involving fossil fuels are weird.

Anyway, for those that say politics play heavily on the subject of climate change..I still hold that Australia would be a good source for info if they don't trust the US findings.

Posted 773 days ago.

harryanderson

That's right.

Posted 773 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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