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37 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

Subtlety and nuance...something that takes a sharp mind to discern.

But of course completely lost on the dullards that make up some rightwing circles.

Posted 839 days ago.

mythravere

The graph below couldn't be clearer: when El Niño is in effect, global temperatures tend to go up; when its close cousin La Niña dominates, it has a dampening effect on warming.

This is a key insight, because often skeptics claim that we can't blame global warming on human causes. Rather, they say, climate change should be chalked up largely – or only – to natural variability in weather and climate patterns.

Instead, Trenberth says the two can't really be separated. “There’s a tremendous amount of natural variability that goes on," he said.

“When human-induced climate change is influencing things in the same direction that the weather, or the natural variability, is already going – that’s when we break records," he added. "That’s when we really see the effects standing out."

Global Warming 'Pause' Isn't What Climate Change Skeptics Say It Is By Terrell Johnson

Posted 839 days ago.

mythravere

"No upward trend in 15 years myth swing and a miss."

You sure about that?

Posted 839 days ago.

mythravere

I think this a good point to state that I feel your whole point in this little debate on here isn't based on disagreeing with the facts about climate change.

Its purely political in nature.

Rightwing marching orders went out and stated that to be a good little Conservative one has to resist this issue because...what else...socialism.

You are just standing in lockstep with your brethren!

Posted 839 days ago.

mythravere

Jesus Christ! Why is it so hard to understand that we have dumped a huge amount of a greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and that it's causing an upward trend in global temperatures?

No one can predict exactly the sea level rise or temperatures etc. But projections can be made from where temperatures were at in the past to where they are now and where they will be if the upward trend continues. The can model effects of this temperature increase too.

Also no natural phenomenon have been found to be the culprit of this.

Posted 839 days ago.

mythravere

At least I hope you would. Because what's the point in having the information that proves something is false and withholding that information?

Because that is essentially what you game is at this point.

You know the facts that have been stated about climate change are false but yet you refuse to lay your information out on the table.

WHAT IS THE POINT IN THAT?

Posted 839 days ago.

mythravere

I and the others have laid it all out why we believe the climatologists.

Since you take issue with that and you see fit to make comments about this issue the onus is upon you to state where we are getting it all wrong. The same for Tiredofit or anyone else.

Failure to do so is dang good way of making yourself look like a fool.

Each time we raise a point or show where you are wrong on one of your points and you do not counter it...and instead just sit back and say NO a freaking million times over....that shows your ignorance on the subject.

Its patently clear that if you had anything with which to counter what's been laid out about the truth of climate change....you would.

Posted 839 days ago.

harryanderson

“I am not crazy enough to think I know the future temperature, water levels, ice thickness,etc of the earth. I'll leave that to the loons.”

I’ll leave it to the 97% of all climate scientists who agree that mankind’s activities are causing climate change.

Posted 839 days ago.

Myth, you are nuts. You do the proving. I am not crazy enough to think I know the future temperature, water levels, ice thickness,etc of the earth. I'll leave that to the loons.

Posted 840 days ago.

mythravere

But then again..maybe the reason you don't provide any info is because if you're not saying anything then there is nothing to be criticised about?

Oh gosh lol!

Posted 843 days ago.

mythravere

I can but I need information. But you won't give me any.

Which begs a question.

If you aren't here to convince anyone of anything then why post about this issue at all?

Oh well thanks for the entertainment.

Posted 843 days ago.

mythravere

You and Tiredofit are just blowing wind.

One of those types of person who can never ever admit they are wrong.

Stay that course!

Posted 843 days ago.

mythravere

Where is your proof that I can't prove my assertions?

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOL!

OMG!

Posted 843 days ago.

mythravere

Ithink...lol...prove that I can't prove the claims that I am making!

Counter my claims with information that shows that I am wrong...and by extension the scientists are wrong.

HAHAHAHAH hilarious!

Posted 843 days ago.

There is no info about the future. Only guesses. Much info about the past cannot be proved.

You can say I murdered someone ten years ago and tbere is NO way I can prove I did not.

No one is obligated to disprove your wild claims. It is up to you to prove them, and you can't.

Posted 843 days ago.

mythravere

"I do find it odd that you three seem to think I owe you proof of anything."Tiredofit

Hey if you want to make yourself look like a fool by all means go ahead.

But when arguing an issue it is essential for both parties to be willing to lay down the facts of why they think they are right.

Unwillingness to do so just makes the person refusing to do so look like they don't know what they are talking about.

Of course we already knew that.

I mean if you had the info why wouldn't a person lay it out on the table for consideration?

It just goes to show that your angle Tiredofit isn't an informational one. Its all about the politics of resistance to the opposing party.

Posted 843 days ago.

Kendall78

"I do find it odd that you three seem to think I owe you proof of anything."

When one makes a positive claim, oddly enough..most people expect you to back it up with evidnece.

"The fact is the burden of proof is on YOU"

And you have been provided with evidence of it happening.

"and you have failed to convince me that you even understand the supposed evidence you are touting,"

We could give the same evidence to a dung beetle and just because they do not understand it doesn't make it not factual. What is also humorous is that you shouldn't care if we understand it at all. All you should care about is if you understand it.

"I have stated many times that I believe any change in climate IS a natural event PERIOD."

And that is a positive claim that should be backed up with evidence.

"I have history on my side."

No you don't.

Posted 844 days ago.

Kendall78

"I wanted you to see,again, that not all climate scientists agree with all the warming hysteria."

And I am glad that most scientists are not in that hysteria. It doesn't benefit anyone to be on the fringes when it involves a topic this big and important to humanity.

Posted 844 days ago.

harryanderson

No Tiredofit,

You don't have to provide evidence for what you say...

...not unless you want to convince somebody, that is.

Posted 844 days ago.

I seldom agree 100% with what anyone says. I wanted you to see,again, that not all climate scientists agree with all the warming hysteria.

As far as how old the earth is, I don't know. I am not a Bible expert. In translating from one language to another, words have different meanings. I believe " in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". How and how long, I don't know or care.

Now, I have some paint to watch dry.

Posted 844 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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