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96 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

I'll say again. Our proof has already been outlined. Its in the comments scattered throughout this forum topic.

If you want them go reread all those posts.

But you won't you are just going to repeatedly ask for proof.

But thats ok. I can just as well refer you to the previous comments. Which is what I am going to do. Each and every time you ask.

Posted 522 days ago.

mythravere

"You are being laid bare with a simple question, thank you for representing your side so poorly.:)"

There is only one thing being laid bare. And its your dishonesty.

You are hiding behind a question.

Also any proof put on the table will be rejected no matter what..by you.

Posted 522 days ago.

Kendall78

Wouldn't it better serve your argument if you would prove your belief that the current climate change is due to a natural cycle devoid of unnatrual causes.

Posted 522 days ago.

Kendall78

"Was man burning fossil fuels in the last ice age?"

You tell us, you seem to be an expert on what was or wasn't...lol.

Posted 522 days ago.

Kendall78

"but I CAN prove it was not manmade co2"

You can prove something was "NOT" the cause of something?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh my gosh you are a card Tired. You rant on and on for multiple pages saying you cannot prove a negative and then you say something stupid like that.

Posted 522 days ago.

Kendall78

"Ok where is the proof?"

I refer you back to pages 40-225 of this thread. You'll easily see them where you tried to deflect the evidence by saying it's all political like Louisiana state representative Lenar Whitney thinks it is as well.

Posted 522 days ago.

Kendall78

@Harry- I agree...there are so many positives about reducing our need on fossil fuels in general. The long term pros for reducing our use on coal and oil far outweigh short term pros of relying on them.

Sometimes it seems like this all or nothing mentality with these arguments. I don't think any rational person that accepts man effects the climate actually expects the US to sudenly stop all coal production the the nation. That would be dumb.

Posted 522 days ago.

Kendall78

"Nope never claimed I did"

Sooo...when you said it was just part of the natural cycle, you was speaking out you *ss?

Doesn't sound like you were being intellectually responsible.

Posted 522 days ago.

Kendall78

"DO YOU HAVE PROOF that CO2 produced by man is warming the planet?"

Yes and it's been provided.

Posted 522 days ago.

harryanderson

My livelihood depends on burning fossil fuel, and I'm not panicky over it.

Posted 522 days ago.

harryanderson

We needn't panic over this debate. As we move forward, we'll be reducing our use of fossil fuels. Even 2/3 of those who classify themselves as Republicans or Republican-leaning independents agree that we should, so that's almost certain to happen.

Global warming isn't the number one reason why Republicans feel this way, however. 48% list reducing dependence on foreign oil as the top reason. The second most-listed reason for reducing our use of fossil fuels was to "save resources for our children and grandchildren." And that's exactly the response one should expect from conservatives.

*******environment.yale.edu/climate-communication/files/Republican_Views_on_Climate_Change.pdf

I'd say the only people getting desperate about this are those who profit from fossil fuels.

Here's the point: Even those for whom global warming isn't an important issue favor reducing our use of fossil fuels, and they have very good reasons for doing so.

Posted 522 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit do you have proof that the warming of this planet is strictly caused by natural phenomenon?

Posted 522 days ago.

mythravere

And its in the previous pages on these forums.

You want it there it is. Go read through for that info.

I myself will not mention those facts until you show the facts that make you right.

If you are right then there has to be facts that back you up. But you won't mention them.

All I am going to do is sit back and watch you make a fool of yourself.

Posted 522 days ago.

mythravere

We've laid that proof out many times before as I have SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE.

That proof of ours that we laid out IS what we believe.

Its the same facts that you rejoice in repeatedly rejecting and denying and/or ignoring.

Posted 522 days ago.

Kendall78

"Thats why this forum is up to 222 pages of posts as of right now."

Actually, it would probably be less than 50 pages but the other 150+ pages is Tired being in denial.

Posted 522 days ago.

Kendall78

" You want to fundamentaly change our entire energy sector"

You think that climate change is the only reason why people might want to change how we create and consume energy?

You're that little twit of a mouse that never left to find new cheese aren't you? Lol, who would ever thought I could use that boring book for a reference in this?

Posted 522 days ago.

mythravere

So if any one here needs to man up it is you. I mean why would you not be willing to show people the truth if you do indeed have the facts that support that truth?

One of two things it could be. You don't have anything to back up what you say and you are hiding behind your own silence. Or you are just stirring the pot with your posts.

Posted 522 days ago.

mythravere

That also shows that we harbour no fear of talking about the issue.

Its just that we are sick of your ********.

I'll say again. YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE FACTS.

I'll also say again that you can't allow us to be right..so you reject and deny everything we say.

And I'll say again that you will not defend your own positions by showing the facts that support your positions.

Because we cant very well scrutinize those facts if you don't mention them.

Posted 522 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit have we went into detail about why we believe man is having an effect on the climate.

Yes or NO.

Saying no will mean you are lying.

Because we have went into detail a multitude of times.

Thats why this forum is up to 222 pages of posts as of right now.

Posted 522 days ago.

Kendall78

"YOU claim man is producing CO2 and that is warming the planet."

YOU claim that the Earth is going through a natural cycle and that is warming the planet.

Posted 523 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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