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95 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

Do you agree that fossil fuel users should pay all the costs associated with using it?

Posted 518 days ago.

harryanderson

And that's something I favor: forcing fossil fuels to pay all the costs associated with their extraction and burning.

Posted 518 days ago.

harryanderson

Quite right, Tiredofit,

When we start factoring in the external costs of burning fossil fuel, like smog and soot, they will "become less advantageous."

They've enjoyed an unfair advantage that will end in future.

Posted 518 days ago.

JoeBlow

Is Al Gore profiting from Global Warming about like Bernie Madoff profiting from selling securities?

Posted 518 days ago.

harryanderson

Sure, I owe, Tiredofit,

When I was a kid, I was taught to leave things better than I found them. My generation hasn't done that.

One thing I'm doing is educating people to the dangers we face if we continue on our same course.

What are you doing?

Posted 518 days ago.

harryanderson

And why is it wrong for Al Gore, who is, after all, a private citizen, to profit from what Tiredofit says is a "most likely" future?

Isn't that how the free market is supposed to work? Those astute enough to invest in emerging technologies deserve to make money, don't they? That's what Bill Gates did. And Henry Ford.

Posted 518 days ago.

mythravere

Well in Al Gore's case he is kinda sorta a hypocrite.

For all he has said about the dangers of climate change and that we must shift ourselves off of fossil fuels his carbon footprint is rather large. And if he was serious about making the needed changes he'd lead by example.

There's ways for him to get around that could demonstrate low to no carbon use.

He could for one thing have his jet powered by carbon neutral jet fuels. And use the myriad of ways out there to reduce is living arrangements carbon footprint.

You know smaller more energy efficient home etc.

Posted 518 days ago.

JoeBlow

The point is being a hippocrite about global warming by over indulgence.

Posted 518 days ago.

JoeBlow

No prob Myth. I don't see any solution that would not have some kind of an enviromental affect, all I see is the government wanting to get rich from the problems. Al Gore making a billion dollars off this has no qualms about flying solo in a big jet to give speaches and living in a house that is much larger than needed.

Posted 518 days ago.

mythravere

Sorry my bad Joe. I was thinking of the nickel metal hydride batteries. Not lipo battery packs.

As an aside. The battery and its cost is the problem. I don't know why they can build cars with diesel generators in them. Think diesel locomotives.

Wait a minute I know. Too good of fuel milage for the oil proponents and the fact that it would still be using an oil product for the enviro minded people.

Posted 518 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit wrote, "The use of fossil fuels... most likely will phase out for the most part."

I agree with that, and I've been preparing for it. I believe it's wise to prepare for changes when you think they're "most likely."

I believe in taking personal responsibility, so I don't wait for government to act when I know change will happen.

Posted 518 days ago.

Kendall78

"and I will not respond to it."

Except to say he won't respond to it..lol.

Posted 518 days ago.

Kendall78

"but they fall short of PROOF"

Please Tired, tell us what you would consider to be proof.

Posted 518 days ago.

JoeBlow

This is interesting. Wonder how that happened? Associated Press September 8, 2014

NAIROBI, Kenya — A snail once thought to have been among the first species to go extinct because of climate change has reappeared in the wild.The Aldabra banded snail, declared extinct seven years ago, was rediscovered on Aug. 23 in the Indian Ocean island nation of Seychelles. The mollusk, which is endemic to the Aldabra coral atoll — a UNESCO World Heritage Site — had not been seen on the islands since 1997, said the Seychelles Islands Foundation.Conservationists are celebrating the banded snail's reemergence.

Posted 518 days ago.

JoeBlow

This is what I got for EVS-Roll to buy a 24KwH Lithium-ION High-Voltage battery for a Fiat 500E which only gets 80 miles for a full charge and if you want it to recharge in over 24 hours, you need to spend another $1,000 for a high speed charges. From EVS-Roll " Li-Ion Recent History

Li-Ion battery packs are reported to cost from around $500 up to $900 USD per Kilowatt hour. On average a 24 kWh battery pack could cost you around $17,000 or so. Some reports suggest that Nissan has managed to manufacture battery packs for the Leaf for about $375 per kWh. That seems low in 2012.

Replacement (installed) cost for the 53 kWh Tesla Roadster batter pack runs around $36,000. That comes to around $679 per kWh.

Ford reports that its 23 kWh packs cost from $12,000 - $15,000: $600/kWh "

Posted 518 days ago.

mythravere

And low and behold we have capitalists to thank for some proof I am going to lay down for Tiredofit.

With the highly likelihood that the Arctic Ocean will ice free during the summer months in the future. Shipping companies are already planning routes through that area to CAPITALIZE on the shortcut it would provide shipping companies.

Its becoming increasingly open.

If you don't believe me. Look it up. So you can you the sources that suit you best. LOL!

Posted 518 days ago.

mythravere

Joe I don't know where you got that number but I think the batteries run around 3000 to 4000. No where near 15000.

Posted 518 days ago.

mythravere

"Just like Algore said the Antarctic ice shelf would be gone by 2014.. .........uh not"

This right here shows how utterly ignorant you are Tiredofit.

Thats not exactly what Al Gore said.

When he said that he was referring to the northern ice cap being ice free..in the summer..in as little as 7 years.

He didn't say it would be. He stated that the models were showing that this could come to place as SOON as it was stated.

It wasn't a for sure thing.

Posted 518 days ago.

JoeBlow

I'm not sure I would be willing to pay over $30,000 for an all electric care, and then replace the battery for over $15,000. It seems the battery is worth more than the car. I wonder what damage that battery does to the environment when it ends up in a land fill?

Posted 518 days ago.

harryanderson

Later. It's work time.

Posted 518 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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