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95 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

As much as I hate to have to explain this I will.

It doesn't take too much thought to conclude that its highly possible that in a squirrels natural environment. The co2 it exhales in its lifetime is quickly taken up into the environment it resides in.

Thats part of the carbon cycle. The same carbon cycle that lead to fossil fuels in the ground.

The thing about mankind's emissions is that its on such an order that the natural environment can not deal with it all.

Its going to be interesting to see how you side step that.

Posted 514 days ago.

mythravere

" CO2 is CO2 regardless of its source but somehow you think because they live in trees as you say, they don't count LOL"

In addition to all of your other negative traits you are now putting words in my mouth. LOL!

Man you really couldn't be a bigger piece of*****could you?

Posted 514 days ago.

mythravere

Oh there is hard evidence that a change is needed and has nothing to do with the climate.

It does have everything to do with how much fossil fuels we have left. Which to say the least is that the more time goes by the more expensive its going to get.

I mean given the difficulty in replacing carbon based fuels with something similar and the fact some things that are made from fossil fuels can not be made without them...I think its just prudent to begin and I do mean begin the process of finding and developing alternatives.

And where possible move off of fossil fuels and onto renewables so that the fossil fuels can be used for other things. For example in the case of power generation.

People don't understand how much of what we have involves the use of fossil fuels.

Posted 514 days ago.

Kendall78

"PROVE the negative"

No one has asked you to prove a negative.

Posted 514 days ago.

Kendall78

"There has been NO evidence that a change is needed. NONE. If there was, you would have provided it."

And it was provided and you didn't understand it. Seems to me that the problem lies in between your ears dear boy ;)

"you would shut me up with some HARD evidence."

It's painfully clear that no amount of evidence would shut you up. Maybe a few rolls of duct tape but hard facts..nope..that won't shut you up one bit and there are about 200 pages of your blather to back that claim up with.

And please don't cower away from this but please give us your defintion of what evidnece is.

Posted 514 days ago.

mythravere

What in the world did you hope to gain from bringing up a comment about squirrels I made?

As for proving my "theory". Well its not really a theory but more an assumption. But since it carries no weight in this discussion I feel no need to flesh it out.

Which of course you are going to complain about.

LOL!

Posted 514 days ago.

Kendall78

"church of ALGORE."

Wow, that's a pretty p*ss poor attempt at guilt by association Tired.

Posted 514 days ago.

Kendall78

"But it WAS funded by government."

And the "so what" question comes about.

Do you have any evidence Tired that there is a direct correlation betwen funding and what the results of the scientist's findings?

Posted 514 days ago.

Kendall78

"It is up to those advocating a change to justify said change.

And the change has been justified with evidence you have chosen not to accept.

Not really much more can be done with you.

There is also something to be said about those that want to stay the course for not good reason but to stay the course.

It has been acknowledged that man effects the Ozone Layer and that global warming is happening. Why would one keep allowing it to happen if it is harmful to us?

Posted 514 days ago.

Kendall78

You are so funny Tired. We have asked you and whomever else is on your side of the argument for any proof of your argument. You give none and then want others to provide you with info. You are so intellectually lazy.

At least Greek makes an attempt and I can respect that.

Posted 514 days ago.

Kendall78

"Warming has ceased in the last 15- 17 years."

Be more specific if you can. Do you mean warming has ceased in the atmosphere? In the Oceans?

Is the last 17 years warmer than the 17 years that came before it?

You still haven't defined what you will consider proof in these arguments. Don't you know what you will consider proof?

Posted 514 days ago.

Kendall78

"Show me how to prove a negative"

No one has asked you to prove a negative.

Is this your fallback plan? Keep claiming it's proving the negative so you won't have to do anything?

Posted 514 days ago.

Kendall78

"And this schmuck says he's interested in honest debate?"

He constantly lies.

Lol, it does seem like he has confusion over what proof and truth is.

Posted 514 days ago.

mythravere

Not one more iota of proof will be given to you unless you backup your own claims.

But that's a tactic you use to hide from any kind of criticism.

Posted 514 days ago.

mythravere

The fact is if you are right Tiredofit and I am wrong. Then the facts support you not me.

Ergo you have the upperhand in this debate.

I can not fathom why you will not provide those facts that make you right.

Furthermore complaining that proof isn't provided to you while refusing to provide your own proof to back up your own assertions is highly hypocritical.

Posted 514 days ago.

mythravere

270 pages worth of arguing. The vast majority of which was of me and the others putting info on the table that proves our assertion.

The information you seek as been offered up in spades. You just choose to deny it or ignore it.

So you asking for information and then making out like we have none because we aren't giving it to you is tremendously disingenuous.

But that's par for the course when dealing with you.

Its just one of the many tactics you use to try and shutdown/control this debate.

Posted 514 days ago.

mythravere

But then yet agains we have another problem.

In the past he has stated that even though there is warming man isn't responsible for it.

But now he is stating that there is no warming.

We know the planet is warming. There just is not denying that.

But these inconsistencies are interesting. And so is his refusal to back up his assertions.

Either he is being contrary. Or he has no facts with which to back up his assertions.

Posted 514 days ago.

mythravere

His assertion being positive. Meaning they have facts to back them up.

Our assertion being negative. Meaning not the truth therefore lacking in the ability to be proven as true.

Edited for clarity

Posted 514 days ago.

mythravere

But then it gets even better. You know Tiredofit says that we are wrong and that he is right.

His facts being positive. Meaning they have facts to back them up.

Our facts being negative. Meaning not the truth therefore lacking in the ability to be proven as true.

Now one would assume Tiredofit is interested in "winning" this debate. Furthermore one would assume that since his position is the true one it'd be very easy to prove his position.

All he has to do is prove that he is right.

Which is to show why all the warming can be blamed on natural causes.

But for some reason he won't do that.

Hmmm?

Posted 514 days ago.

mythravere

Aaah man you gotta love it. For months on end we repeatedly laid proof after proof on the table.

Of course Tiredofit it rejected all of it.

Now that we have figured out that he will reject any proof we put on the table. We stop providing it because you know lesson learned.

But now Tiredofit is asking for proof(that we already provided)and making it looks as if we dont have anything to show as proof. Or that we are refusing to show proof.

And this schmuck says he's interested in honest debate?

LOL!

Posted 514 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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