Tiredofit, I think you made whatever point you were attempting. Let it go, its redundant and not value adding for sure.
Seriously R1K, why do you post, you are like a petulant child and add nothing to the conversation other than copied links and other parts of others posts. Do you have a single original thought??
I am very concerned about the desperation of the left right now, the nuclear option exercised in the Senate shows they see the tide turning. The hypocrisy of Obama Biden and many others that railed against the Republicans when they flirted with the idea is amazing. How can they say what they are saying with a straight face???
Socialism offers nothing but survival, Capitalism while not perfect offers opportunity.
While I stated that all forms of Government can be tyrannical and destructive, I cannot abide the socialist idea. It is organized theft. The position that capitalism has corporate welfare etc are indeed valid and need to end, however, we are seeing what a socialist president and Senate look like. Redistribution of wealth cannot and will never work.
All forms of Govt can and are destructive if left unchecked. The main problem is that they are run by MEN and WOMEN who are deeply flawed and given to greed and*****for power. We will never change the very base of the human heart as that is why I advocate for more local Government. To keep tabs on and check the power of the Federal Government is nearly impossible but if power is given back to the states and the local governments, we as citizens have more influence on them. I believe this was the intent of the founders and certainly is supported by the Constitution.
@Ithink- but just as there is good there is also bad. Socialism does not breed individual success as easily as capitalism. Socialism is not designed to harness individual genius as well as a capitalistic society. The success of socialism rests on a small group of very powerful leaders that usually hand picks the next generation of leaders, while capitalism gets their future leaders more from the masses.
Again..socialism and capitalism are as good the people let them be.
@Ithink- Perhaps I will one day if the desire is within me. But until then...socialism got a man into space first. I would say it made it possible to get to space but fascism did that. Socialism produced a world power just as capitalism did. Socialism makes it possible for the US elderly to get an income. Socialism overthrown unjust monarchies.
Tiredofit- "nor does he need me to"
Because I know you can express yourself and your ideas very well on here. And I appreciate what you said though RA8 probably won't acknowledge it.
Kendall, maybe you could explain the goodness of socialism to the good people of the MOV in a letter to the editor. That would be hilarious to see. Also it would be nice to see your resume so we could all see the basis for your superiority.
Myth, you are big on boogie men are you not>? THE RIGHT, **** BROS, or just YOUR SIDE, etc mean NOTHING but you hold them up like they validate whatever Christian hating point you are making.
RIK, I think you made whatever point you were attempting. Let it go, its redundant and not value adding for sure. While I am not inclined to take up for Kendall, nor does he need me to, but I recall there was a limit on LTE at one time, cannot say if there still is.
And, myth, where did any of us express support for the Koch brothers before YOU brought them up? Billionaires deserve to be compared with other rich people. I know very little about the Koch family, but I have seen their name in lists of donations.
"You are evidently uninformed about the horrible living standards the early immigrants escaped from. Nothing here could have been as bad as where they came from."
And thats some sort of excuse for how they were treated when going to work over here?
"Just who would you work for,myth ,if there were no businesses or corporations? What a bunch of whining, unappreciative, lazy louts we have become."
Ithink why is it that people such as yourself have such one dimensional thinking?
I talk about the evils of capitalism and you automatically assume I want no capitalism ergo no businesses.
You should really try to develop a more nuanced way of thinking.
You know more flexible.
" You have no idea what the Koch brothers would love to do, But i bet I could make a longer list of good things they have done than you can Soros good things."
Sorry Ithink but the actions of the Kochs are very demonstrative of what they want out of this country.
Say where did I profess support for Soros?
Hey looky there I didn't.
@Ithink- you have to understand...socialism isn't any better or worse than capitalism. But one does work better with our western thinking that the rights of the individual overrides that of the group. Socialism requires a person to accept that the group is more important than the wants and needs of an individual.
Capitalism can be as cruel and heartless as Socialism depending on those who are in charge.
The fact is that I have written letters and told that they won't accept them too frequently.
Again, if you do not believe me...please write a letter a week and see how long you can do that before they quit putting them in. But if you are afraid of learning through action..just keep doing what you have been doing; living in ignorance.
Humans invented socialism, so of course they run it. Badly, and for their own benefit,
myth you are still in your world of feelings, You have no idea what the Koch brothers would love to do, But i bet I could make a longer list of good things they have done than you can Soros good things.
The difference between our freedom and socialism, is that we have the ability and opportunity to change bad conditions. And we have.
You are evidently uninformed about the horrible living standards the early immigrants escaped from. Nothing here could have been as bad as where they came from.
Just who would you work for,myth ,if there were no businesses or corporations? What a bunch of whining, unappreciative, lazy louts we have become.
Yep lets totally ignore the way American workers were treated by capitalists way back when...
Unsafe working conditions. Pitiful pay. Child labor. Or no real pay at all but scrip for the company store.
And the thing is. Had people not fought for something better things would still be like that.
In fact I harbor no doubts that if companies today weren't forced to treat workers the way they do and pay a minimum wage they wouldn't at all.
In fact when you get down to the nitty gritty of it all that is exactly what conservative donors like the Kochs would love to see happen.
What Ithink? I see is "blab blab blab" coming from you.
Obviously you do not understand much of what i comment on. I also called capitalism good. Why are the fringe people so selective with what they read?
As for socialism, the results of all the bad you cite isn't due to socialism but how we humans use it.
Capitalism also made sordid conditions in which the poor people suffered. Luckily, some liberal minded people introduced countermeasures to capitalism that improved the state of our society.
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