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Dismiss frivolous anti-coal lawsuit

August 6, 2013

On Aug. 15, many state residents will get to hear about a wonderful success story for West Virginia....

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AaronS

Aug-09-13 8:43 AM

I can't help but note Suttle that you've yet to give your thoughts on how we reinvent southern WV.

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Suttle

Aug-08-13 10:42 PM

The battle for coal is lost. The executives of mining companies and the political leaders of West Virginia should be wise to reinvent our economy here in West Virginia. The writing is on the wall and it is time for us to learn how to read. Our failure to use our imagination will doom our fellow citizens to poverty. We have time. The demise of coal will take years, but we must start now...not later. West Virginians deserve better than drug abuse, jails, ignorance and being hungry.

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denver

Aug-08-13 6:36 PM

"AaronS" if you knew the answer, then why did you ask the question? Like to answer that little buddy?

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AaronS

Aug-08-13 4:04 PM

Those who oppose coal, want it to end today, right not, not another ton to be removed from the ground. In their warped minds, the switch at coal burning power plants can be accomplished overnight from coal to gas without a missed beat in electricity generated, or they falsely believe "renewables" can replace the 40% of our electricity that is generated from coal.

While I understand that coal in finite and that eventually it will be replaced as an energy source, I am not so ignorant as to believe that it will happen over night. It is a process that will take 50 years or more.

Until those who oppose coal understand the realities, we will never have an intelligent conversation regarding the use of coal.

That my friend is, the truth.

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AaronS

Aug-08-13 4:00 PM

Which do you think those in the coastal cities fret more about, the inch their coast rises in their lifetimg or setting in the dark Neo?

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neocurmudgeon74

Aug-08-13 1:57 PM

Not sure who isn't facing the truth, Aaron. Burning coal may turn out to be as expensive as not burning it. People in coastal cities may eventually blame coal miners for raising their sea level while the miners sit high & dry in WV etc.

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AaronS

Aug-08-13 1:25 PM

I know how much coal is left denver, I know how much of our electricity it provides and I know that save nuclear, there is no alternative to provide for the energy coal supplies. I’ve posted these numbers before and what I get in response is idiotic responses meant to distort and obfuscate the facts followed by personal attacks in their vain attempt to counter the truth.

So tell me, why is it that you guys can’t face the truth?

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denver

Aug-07-13 5:58 PM

I'm curious "AaronS' don't you know how to find something for yourself? Google: "How much coal is left?" And then Google: "What is the future of southern WV?' and find out for yourself, there little buddy!

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denver

Aug-07-13 5:52 PM

I 2nd that "manydemocrats" Well said "Suttle"

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AaronS

Aug-07-13 10:47 AM

I'm curious suttle, can you tell the denver parrot along with the rest of two things.

1) How much coal is left?

2) What is the future of southern WV?

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manydemocrats

Aug-07-13 10:12 AM

Well said Suttle!

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Suttle

Aug-06-13 10:46 PM

Coal will continue to decline because of market economic forces. West Virginia must reinvent those counties that rely on coal as an economic engine. The time of reckoning is at hand. The continued debate and battle over who is waging war on coal is not productive. McDowell County will be the future of southern West Virginia if our state leaders fail to take action. The coal industry squeezes the life out of every community it touches. The coal industry takes... and takes... and takes... but never gives back. Poverty, ignorance and black lung is all that the giant mining corporations will leave when our coal reserves run out.

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RANDOM21

Aug-06-13 4:23 PM

"All coal is dirty, from the ground to the ashes." Not a specif quote but the general war cry of the left. Short term power outages are a real inconvenience, but on the continuing course of the left, long term outages will put the US right up there with other third world countries. Ain't (some people's) Paradise Wonderful. When an economical replacement is developed for steel or power, then the coal can be left in the ground.

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RANDOM21

Aug-06-13 4:13 PM

Spelling not grammar. Not s/b now or just omitted entirely. The idea was there, just one letter confuses it. Ask the whiner from Jeopardy.

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AaronS

Aug-06-13 11:24 AM

"It amuses met that one poster brag about not proofreading. (I guess I'm desperate for some amusement!)"

As so often is the case Neo, about the only counter to any argument I make from you is in my grammar. I can live with that.

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neocurmudgeon74

Aug-06-13 10:45 AM

(continued from below)

My concusion? I'm a little short of a conclusion. Maybe we SHOULD make less steel. We could replace much of it w/ composite materials. Amory Lovins claims replacing almost all the steel in automobiles w/ composites would have many benefits, including reducing the weight of the vehicle by hundreds of pounds.

But I'm not, at least at this time, ready to ban export of metallurgical coal. Thermal coal is quite a big enough problem to consider now. Until I hear more, it sounds to me like the Chesapeake Climate Action Network is lumping met coal w/ steam coal b/c they both produce CO2, w/o weighing the difference in cost-benefit ratios.

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neocurmudgeon74

Aug-06-13 10:43 AM

Metallurgical coal is in a very different category than thermal coal. While we have other ways to generate electricity or heat our buildings, I know of no other way to extract iron from ore than by adding carbon at high temperature to convert the oxygen in the ore to carbon dioxide. Doing away w/ met coal would either mean no new steel, or raise its price above aluminum, titanium, magnesium. The cost/benefit problem is far greater for met coal than for steam coal. Doing away w/ steam coal wouldn't mean doing away w/ electricity, but doing away w/ met coal would pretty much mean no steel except recycled steel.

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neocurmudgeon74

Aug-06-13 10:40 AM

It amuses met that one poster brag about not proofreading. (I guess I'm desperate for some amusement!)

"Now it appears the extreme left is not going after exports." Really?

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AaronS

Aug-06-13 10:31 AM

The West Virginia for Budget and Policy (a far left ‘think than’ bent on promoting liberal policies) cited the number of coal miners employed from 2009 to 2011 in a failed attempt to show that Obama did not have an agenda regarding coal. What the WVBP failed to mention when citing employment numbers was the sharp increase in exports. While it is true that coal employment was at industry highs for the period cited, exports was at a 20 year high and West Virginia coal accounts for a large percentage of exported coal.

While employment numbers have declined over the last 18 months, were it not for the continued exports, the state of WV coal mining would be worse than it is. Now it appears the extreme left is not going after exports. If this trend continues, coal mining in general and WV mining in particular is in for some rough years.

I guess that’s the price we pay for handing Obama 3 of his worst political humiliations. I like to think we see him for what he is.

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neocurmudgeon74

Aug-06-13 10:09 AM

Oh come on Denver, the editorial doesn't say that coal companies are doing well overall, what it says is that coal exports is the only bright spot in their business.

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Ithink

Aug-06-13 9:57 AM

This is not anomynous. It is the oplnion of the News and Sentinel using the policy of most reputable newspapers. Big difference.

Where did you liberals get your lack of knowledge ?

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wvubob

Aug-06-13 8:34 AM

Merriam-Webster defines Radical - associated with political views, practices, and policies of extreme change.

b4 all you got from this was that radical was used 3 times and in reality only once was Obama mentioned, otherwise it could have been viewed as racist ranting.

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b4waswv

Aug-06-13 5:34 AM

The anonymous editor seems to think the administration is radical, having used the words 3 times. Guess 1 or 2 times wouldn't have sufficed to express his hate.

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denver

Aug-06-13 5:17 AM

And here I thought the Coal Companies were going bankrupt!

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