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Murder and the mentally ill

February 4, 2013

It took liberals in Congress just weeks after the mass murder at a Connecticut school to come up with a list of 157 pistols, rifles and shotguns they want to restrict in the United States....

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Feb-12-13 10:54 AM

LOL! @Neo, none of those fit the catagories I was speaking about....but sorry you took it the wrong way :)

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Feb-07-13 9:43 AM

"if we took ten years of sending NO MONEY out of the US"

No money for oil -- that's a big sum!

No money for cellphones manufactured in Asia, we'll make our own. Oops, no money for minerals we don't mine here, so we'll have to go back to "brick" phones & "bag" phones.

Oh, you only meant foreign aid? Ok, military aid is a big item.

Oh, you only meant developmental aid? How much is that?

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Feb-07-13 7:53 AM

GuyOO7 had a valid point. I think we need to start by weeding the bad apples off the welfare system. Our society is SO full of people who claim because they cannot work because they have a mental illness-like bipolar disorder. But that doesn't stop them from drinking and driving, having babies and milking our system dry. Many of these people could hold down a job-but can't because they claim they can't deal with the stress? If we cut off aid to all the career welfare moms who keep having kids to keep their gravy train rolling in we would have enough money to take care of the people who are truly mentally ill and need long term care.Here's where a social worker could really start to make a difference in our society-start by stop enabling these bums!

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Feb-06-13 5:35 PM

Not falling for it 4thebetter. Lol!

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Feb-06-13 3:37 PM

SocialWorks,so you do not believe that we(U.S.A) should be helping the truly,indigant poor(not by their choice) of the world? Having travelled to most of the world,and having seen the poor in 3rd world countries,my travels have opened my eyes to the reality there is very little poor in this country. Granted,there are deserving poor that need assistance,but unlike in 3rd word countries,governmental structures,environmental conditions,lack of education(which is free and accessible in the U.S.),lack of health care facilities(which abound in the US),and lack of vital natural resources(becoming so in the US)have kept them poor and desrving of help. The US is the greatest nation in the world,and in the eyes of those people who have nothing,help from us is welcomed. In the US,where most of the poor are such by choice,thsse bums demand assistance from the government and certainly do not welcome it!!!

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Feb-06-13 1:46 PM

Think about it....if we took ten years of sending NO MONEY out of the US and poured it into schools, mental health, shelters and programs we would be sooo strong as a nation. Then with our problems under control, we as a much stronger nation, could help the entire planet. Wishful thinking I guess.......

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Feb-06-13 1:11 PM

I totally agree with you! When are our leadders ever going to put the needs of our everyday citizens first?

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Feb-06-13 12:41 PM

America is known as the "band-aid" center of the world. Look at the condition of our schools, our nursing homes, our mental health system, our homeless shelters. We can sink tons of money into other countries while people suffer right on our own doorstep.

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Feb-06-13 12:37 PM

@Jane: Heck, I agree with you on that! However Medicaid and insurance won't pay for long term care, and communities cannot afford to pick up that cost either. As to walking out whenever they want, that is there right unless they are a danger to themselves or others then they can be kept for a longer period. Everyone that I know that went to Camden had a discharge meeting with everyone involved. Either we get the government and insurance companies to pay for more treatment or pay higher taxes for levies to go towards treatment.

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Feb-06-13 11:33 AM

BakerKat said it all "the needs ofthe mentally ill are not being met." They need help in the form of quality, professional,long term care-based mental health wards and institutions-not behavioral band aid stations.

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Feb-06-13 10:17 AM

SocialWork Rocks- I can put up a stand on the street corner-sell lemonaid and cookies and call it "a restaurant." But that doesn't make it "a restaurant." Alright-you're correct that Camdem does have a "behavior unit." But it's funny how you never adressed my other comments. If people go there they should know exactly what help they can realistically get there.

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Feb-06-13 9:19 AM

@Jane: and I quote from you "The reason Camden Clark does not have a mental ward is because they can't find a qualified person to run it." End quote. All I said was they do have a unit. Got my facts straight, just dont want you putting out the wrong info. LOL!

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Feb-06-13 8:14 AM

SocialWork Rocks-one last comment. You failed to mention that when someone goes to the crisis unit you spoke of-they can check themselves out any time they please? Also after they check themselves out there is no follow up plan. It is just highly suggested that patients seek help from the mental health professional of their choice and that's it? How is this system helping anyone?

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Feb-06-13 8:03 AM

Guyoo7 and BakerKat are correct. Thanks to touch feely liberals-people with serious and dangerous mental illnesses do not have to take their meds unless a judge orders them too. And to get to that step they have to do something drastic and end up in jail-or do something horrible. Bring back the institutions-save the people!

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Feb-06-13 8:00 AM

Socialworkrocks-get your information straight. I used to work for an organization that sent clients in crisis there. Is there a trained psychiatrist on duty 24/7? No. Pumping people full of meds and observing them-most often by just a nurse-and releasing them out into the general public after the crisis period has subsided is not a full functioning mental health unit. It's a drive through-fast food mental health unit. What our area needs is a ful functioning mental health unit where people can be treated on a LONG TERM-as opposed to drive by-basis.

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Feb-05-13 9:09 PM

When the meds were developed, mental institutions became much easier to manage. So much easier, that patients could be moved from those large & distant facilities, to smaller centers & halfway houses closer to the community. But only half of this was done.

2 decades later, this country would grant amnesty to illegal aliens already here, & close the border to further illegal immigration. Again, only half was done.

When the parts of a solution are supposed to go hand in hand, it requires at least 2 hands. Why is that so hard to see? To borrow from the song "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" (Peter, Paul, & Mary): When will they ever learn?

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Feb-05-13 8:58 PM

@Jane: "shaking my head sadly" Camden Clark DOES have a behavioral health unit to deal with people in crisis. Trying again to post invalid information?

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Feb-05-13 6:33 PM

The Elizabethan Poor Law of 1601 (a government program) dictated that the insane be placed in institutions to protect society from them. Similar types of programs(although improved) continued in both Britain and the U.S. until the concept of deinstitutionalism became prevalent in the late 1960s placing the mentally incompenent out to mingle with the sane,but not until the psychiatrists had poured addictive depressants and mind altering addictive substances into their many times frail or weak systems to curb their anger and violent moods. Since you cannot monitor or force the mentally unstable to take their medicine violent crime has increased substantially since deinstitutionalization. Restore institutionalization and the reign of terror and violence will be substantially reduced.

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Feb-05-13 5:25 PM

The government is the ones who shut most of those type of facilities saying it was against their rights to hold them there. Now they wander, live under bridges, etc. Wow this is so much better eh? Great guv. fix on that.

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Feb-05-13 9:46 AM

jarhead -- you missed Mr. Myer's point, which was that the government can't solve the problem of mental illness, & therefore shouldn't try. Your point was just the opposite, that government can & should.

(I wasn't one of the Disagrees. But I'm going to go now & click Disagree b/c you didn't read the article you're commenting on.)7

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Feb-05-13 8:01 AM

I agree with some of what BakerKat stated. The biggest problem with the mental health profession are the people working in it. So many choose making money over giving quality care to their patients. The reason Camden Clark does not have a mental ward is because they can't find a qualified person to run it. This would require someone be there on staff on a 24 hour basis and apparently no mental health professionals in the area are willing to do that. They are trained to treat problems by throwing pills at them. And as BakerKat mentioned-too many of these medications are experimental and have side effects that only make matters worse. But I do think that mental institutions are the way to go. Unless the patients have family members to depend on-the patients go on welfare and are left to live on their own with no supervision.

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Feb-05-13 12:04 AM

jarhead---these are great comments and make sense. The only disagrees you have are people that blame the gun and really have no clue as to what is happening in this country. Most are typical liberals that think everything is GREAT!

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Feb-04-13 8:15 PM

I see that people have disagreed with mine and others supporting this article but did not take the time to post a rebuttal. If you don't agree please post a response as too why, an intelligent debate is a good thing.

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Feb-04-13 5:29 PM

The needs of the mentally ill are NOT being met. It was cruel to lock them all up - well that was cruel, not all need that, but some DO! The pills they shove at these people make some worse. How many of these events were caused by people on some of these less studied drugs? Maybe families who lost their children should sue big Pharma, as they care less about making us healthy and more about making money. Having a broken brain is no different than having a broken leg. We need to stop stigmatizing people so they feel comfortable in seeking help, and that help needs to be more readily available. Yes that would cost money, but at what price to the rest of society if we do nothing.

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Feb-04-13 9:05 AM

Education of school employees and guidance counselors to recognize individuals with mental illness, and training for them to help families understand what they can expect and how do deal with mental illness in the family...and infrastructure in place where they can go to get treatment is our best bet as a society.

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