There are many people I respect on here, so it seems very odd to me when they go so off base with critiques on their own writings.
When people complain of moral decay, they are referring to the everyday person. That is not what happened to Rome. Moral decay for them was more or less within the ruling class.
The Roman Empire was not able to change with the times. The corrput and powerful took power, whether they deserved it or not. That's how they ended up with such things like the year of three emporers or Claudius being named emporer by corrupt military people.
Tell me, did the vast slave class of people in the empire suffer from moral decay?
Rome is not a relevant analog to the United States. Rome was an empire that incorporated numerous nations under it's banner and forced them to follow their way. Rome in the 4th and 5th centuries was much older then the US is now. Rome didn't influence worldwide culture by example but by the end of the sword. Rome's "moral decay" can be chucked up to the failure of the ruling class.
I won't take away the satisfaction you get from guessing.
Anyway, moral decay is just a boogieman that conservatives drum up once in awhile.
It's a condition that they complain about but offer nothing to fix. They just throw the "problem" at the feet of those they do not like.
Back in the day when they took organized prayer out of schools, people raved about moral decay for decades after that. But they didn't know what they were talking about.
And yet you feel the need to say it again. Obsessive much?
I think I said it was ok. Pay attention.
Cries about moral decay usually come about from the conservatives when they are frustrated with things they cannot keep the same and the unwillingness to change.
"lies through his teeth to get his signature legislation through congress."
Sounds like congress failed in their duties.
It may surprise you but you were not the only person I was responding to.
The rest of your post did not address a thing I said but that's ok
Moral progression isn't a bad thing at all because it's natural. Most of us want a balance in our lives and that need is also reflected in our culture and morals. Sometimes the culture takes a conservative swing and then counters with a more liberal one. The catch to it all is how we adapt to those shifts. I think that the advancement of communication has helped a great deal in handling these shifts. So while we do have what we might deem as extremes in morality, the majority of the people won't find themselves at either extreme but more in the middle.
Honestly, you haven't said nothing that couldn't have happened 50 years ago really. People steal...out nation has been there and done that. People cheat...same thing. The only major difference is that we hear about it more and the offenses are out there for all people to see and judge for themselves. Morality isn't in a static bubble. It does change and sometimes the law reflects that and other times the law hinders it.
All of that leads me to a rather hypocritical gripe that comes from some on the right.
We've seen it mentioned on here. The wailing over this "threat" that Muslims are trying to bring about Sharia Law in this nation.
Its so hilarious that the people who complain about that are essentially wanting to institute their own religious "law" by way of guiding and instilling their chosen morality on this nation.
And I know the question that will inevitably crop up out of that statement is this.
If the progression of morality from one group of values to another leads to the destruction of the nation,group of people etc then what good is that progression?
Shouldn't that progression be stopped?
Well for one thing what try and imagine what it would take set this nation on a strict set of morals inspired by Christianity for example.
Because that is where this question originates from.
We got one group of people who want this nation to adhere to their moral standards.
Ultimately for that to happen this nation would no longer be what it is. A democratic republic. It would become a Christian dictatorship.
Thats why the muslim countries are dictatorships.
Its the only way their religious standards can continue to hold its grip on their respective societies.
Disagree with that all you want. Its the truth.
Who gets to define the parameters and limits of what is moral?
There is only one true answer to that question.
Society itself is the definer of what is moral. No one group can lay claim over what is and what isn't moral.
If a person or group finds themselves being left out or left behind where the current definition of morality falls then its because society itself has moved on and away from those previous definitions.
Is the wrong? Is that something to be lamented?
A better question is what would it take to keep moral standards from changing.
That would take the enforcement of those morals one wants to see upheld.
The only way that can happen is if punishment is used as means of enforcing that adherence. Muslim countries and their "Moral Police" for example.
In this country a policy like that is the antithesis of the freedom we enjoy and like to hold above the rest of the world.
Actually, morality changes quite a bit. It's not an absolute. There are a few cases where certain actions could be considered an absolute moral like not to murder but where most people complain about moral decay, they are talking about such issues like hom ose xuality and the like. Those issues are not so clear in the world of morality.
I don't exactly believe in "moral decay" as much as I think it's about a united morality in a culture. Many people seem to look back at the 1950's as a time that morality in the US was good but who is to make that judgement really? I think it wasn't so much that the morality was better but that most people agreed with it as a group, even if they didn't agree with it behind closed doors.
Putting the focus on the positive and creative ..creates more of the same. Likewise for the bad stuff.
The good values are there and demonstrated everyday....but where is that held up high and reported on?
Instead we get to hear about Kayne Wests new controversy etc ad nauseum.
Just look around Tiredofit. Stupidity abounds as a laudable trait to have. Reality TV for example.
The news. All of it. Focuses on the dividing issues. They set up and encourage this us versus them mentality in the populace.
Like its all a game.
The focus isn't on the positive and creative. But the negative and destructive.
Everyone has to win at all costs.
I know that you know what I am getting at.
Just look Black friday. Disgusting. Those people who fight over cheap wares. What would they do if something essential like water or food became scarce?
Yet we as a people enable that.
I am relying solely on my own experiences when I compare Bing and google. When searching for a comment or action that obama has done, if it makes him look bad, sometimes it can't be found with google, but Bing will have a whole list of sources.
I use google most of the time,but I do recognize its bias.
Everything changes. Nothing stays the same. It would be near impossible for a society and its values etc to remain static and unchanging.
What makes and has made this country great is still here. It just hidden by all the bs we're are splattered with every single waking minute.
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