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93 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

Though some global warming cynics might see the ice trend as an opportunity to dispute the larger climate trend, the statistics on the Arctic warming indicate otherwise. NASA says that on an annual average basis, Arctic sea ice has decreased at a rate of 4.3 percent each decade since 1979, whereas in the Antarctic, sea ice has increased at a rate of 1.7 percent every 10 years.

Despite the current increase in Antarctic ice cover, scientists say the trend is likely to reverse in the future as global warming heats the planet.

Also from CBS News.

Posted 484 days ago.

mythravere

"When we think about global warming we would expect intuitively that ice should also be declining in the Antarctic region as in the Arctic," NASA's senior research scientist Josefino Comiso explained. "But station and satellite data currently show that the trends in surface temperature are most positive in the Arctic while in the Antarctic region the trends are a mixture of positive and negative trends," he said, adding that cooling and declining sea surface temperatures could also contribute a "more rapid advance at the ice edge."

Snowfall could also be behind the growing ice pattern. NASA explains: "Snow landing on thin ice can actually push the thin ice below the water, which then allows cold ocean water to seep up through the ice and flood the snow - leading to a slushy mixture that freezes in the cold atmosphere and adds to the thickness of the ice."

From CBS News.

Posted 484 days ago.

mythravere

"But while the ocean depths have cooled, the top layers of the ocean have been warming, which JPL says is an “unequivocal” sign of global warming. "

Context is everything. NASA never said that there was no warming. Also global warming isn't uniform.

Posted 485 days ago.

mythravere

Funny how you ignored those parts of the story.

Posted 485 days ago.

mythravere

“The deep parts of the ocean are harder to measure,” said JPL’s William Llovel, the study’s lead author. “The combination of satellite and direct temperature data gives us a glimpse of how much sea level rise is due to deep warming. The answer is — not much.”

Ocean warming has also been a major explanation for rising sea levels because water expands as it warms. JPL study authors noted that sea levels are still rising, but ocean warming contributed almost nothing to this rise since 2005.

But while the ocean depths have cooled, the top layers of the ocean have been warming, which JPL says is an “unequivocal” sign of global warming. Recent studies have pointed to upper ocean warming — below 0.4 miles deep — as evidence of heat-trapping that is causing the planet to stay cooler than it otherwise would."

From the Daily Caller.

Posted 485 days ago.

mythravere

"But this theory seems to fall apart in the face of a new report by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), which analyzes satellite and direct temperature data to conclude that the ocean’s depths — below 1.24 miles — have not warmed since 2005."

Posted 485 days ago.

Kendall78

"It's okay to believe people on some things, but not on others. I don't know anybody who's always right."

Of course and that is a rational point of view. But Stillwrong doesn't share that thinking. He supports the Doc and gives no reason why he supports him. So one might as well say that he supports the Doc simply because of who he is.

Posted 488 days ago.

harryanderson

@ ohwiseone,

You've picked an excellent source of information if you're getting your information from Dr. Michael Mann, an actual climate scientist who has the expertise to understand the issue. He's published 160 peer-reviewed papers.

And Dr. Mann's trustworthiness has been investigated and he's been cleared of fraud. He's withstood political attacks, like the investigation Va. Attorney General Ken Cuchinelli conducted against him and the CRU hacked emails fake controversy.

In all these, Dr. Mann was exonerated of any fraud.

So Dr. Mann has expertise and investigations have failed to find him untrustworthy. He's a good source.

Posted 488 days ago.

harryanderson

@Kendall,

It's okay to believe people on some things, but not on others. I don't know anybody who's always right.

But here's the main point: I don't know of any climate scientist who disputes the basic tenet of global warming: that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

Posted 488 days ago.

Kendall78

Unlike you Stillwrong, Harry actually explains his point of view on topics. I've never known him to just go into absolutes when it suits him.

Your style though is to post whatever is easy and never break down your thoughts on the topic. You two are hardly similar to one another.

Posted 488 days ago.

Kendall78

Nothing wrong in pointing out his faulty logic in believing part of what a doc says but ignoring the rest. Wouldn't you agree?

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

@ Kendall78,

It's best not to be drawn into idiotic behavior, lest you and all your posts disappear.

Posted 489 days ago.

Kendall78

@Harry I was trying to see if Stillwrong considers what Dr. Pachauri as a "provable fact" or evidence..proof..whatever.

If he does then he has to agree with everything the doc says. We both know of course he won't because he is an idiot.

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

@Kendall78

So, if you meant to imply that Dr. Pachauri is in the consensus camp, you have done so.

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

@Kendall78

You’re quite right, sir.

Those interested may find Dr. Pachauri’s quote, which came last March when the IPCC issued its latest report, here:

htt p://ww w.npr.or g/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/31/297092061/u-n-report-raises-climate-change-warning-points-to-opportunities

He has also written:

“A multilateral agreement to tackle climate change is absolutely essential…”

htt p://ww w.theguardian.co m/environment/cif-green/2010/jan/04/climate-change-delay-denial

And he has said:

“What is happening, and what is likely to happen, convinces me that the world must be really ambitious and very determined at moving toward a 350 target.”

htt p://ww w.webcitation.o rg/5nCVgJOIV

Posted 489 days ago.

Kendall78

What a surprise, Stillwrong is cowering from the question.

Pachauri is an expert that should be listened to when it serves Stillwrong's position but when he doesn't...Stillwrong becomes deaf/mute. What a coward.

Posted 489 days ago.

Kendall78

Rajendra Pachauri believes there is no slowdown in global warming. Is this true Stillwrong? And if he is wrong here, why is he right with what you posted?

"Nobody on this planet is going to be untouched by the impacts of climate change”-Rajendra Pachauri Chairman, IPCC

Is this true Stillwrong? Pachauri said it and you consider what he says as a fact right?

Posted 490 days ago.

Kendall78

"THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri,"

So what this man says you will consider a PROVABLE FACT...this is what you are saying Stillwrong?

Yes or No

Posted 490 days ago.

18 years and no global warming. Al,et al, are complete fools.

Many bad things have happened under the Obama regime. Global warming would just be a minor blip, even if it were real.

Watch out for ebola. And the corrupt IRS. And the devastating obamacare. And ISIS. And laws being ignored. And illegals taking your child's school space and tax dollars. And the beat (list) goes on.

Posted 490 days ago.

Kendall78

"You just cannot get past that fact can you? THERE HAS BEEN NO WARMING IN 18 YEARS"

A fact? You are claiming you can prove it to be a fact there has been NO warming?

Please do that will you.

Posted 490 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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