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7 hours ago.
by Ohwiseone
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Ohwiseone

Ah yes the idiocy of the rights serial deniars !Hilarious really ! Heres one thing for your tiny brain to ponder ! Global warming leads to climate CHANGE !!!The" morons"(tiredbrain trolls words)are the ones who cant comprehend or deny that fact !Again , just a very small mind in a great big world !

Posted 68 days ago.

Stillhere

THATSABSURD, let me know what week they teach you the cooling is actually warming, LOL you got to be a huge liar or a Moron to believe that one, speaking of which one will be along in 3....2.....1....

Posted 69 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Ah idiocy ,it must be great to have someone to tell you what to think all the time !Pretty soon you wont need to have any conscious thought what so ever !Mindless minion of Faux ! BTW when reporting on climate change Faux has an accuracy rating of 28% !But that shouldn't matter to stupid people !( And it doesn't !)

Posted 69 days ago.

Thatsabsurd

I'm in my 2nd week of Globewarmers school. Its darn tough acting as stupid as they want us to be. Next week they teach how to lie, cover up our lies and lie some more. We have to do this with a look as if we are edumacted and smart. The week after that they teach us how to fold our tin-foil hats and when were done we get our graduation pictures taken wearing them.

They said be careful after they dumb down we may walk smack into a glass door but that's not the worst part....they say we will back up and walk right back into it.

Posted 69 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Awww come on , you haven't reached 300 pages yet ! LOLOL

Posted 85 days ago.

Ohwiseone

And besides the tiredbrain trolls idea of "truth" is different from normal people !Mostly skeptical truth !

Posted 85 days ago.

Stillhere

Yep, to sum it up, YOU believe, I am skeptical, little use to continue.

Posted 86 days ago.

harryanderson

"He is a very prominent skeptic and surely one would have to entertain his thoughts before making up ones mind that the sciences is settled."

First, I never said the "science is settled." I'm convinced it isn't.

Second, I have entertained Dr. Ball's thoughts, thanks to you, and I've found them unconvincing for the reasons previously listed.

Posted 87 days ago.

harryanderson

“Its a place to argue, and to post dueling links that are dismissed out of hand.”

I don’t see it as a place to discount others’ ideas. I don’t dismiss your links “out of hand.” I look. (When you post links, that is; it’s often hard to tell which words are yours and which words you’ve copied and pasted.)

I check. That’s how I discovered Dr. Ball acknowledges not being knowledgeable enough in physics to challenge greenhouse gas theory. You pointed me in that direction.

As far as. Ball being “very prominent,” he isn’t prominent in current scientific circles. In his curriculum vitae on his website, he states that his last “significant publication” was 30 years ago, in 1984.

ht tp://drtimball.co m/_files/dr-tim-ball-CV.pdf

Here again, I wouldn’t have known this had you not pointed me to it.

So while Dr. Ball is prominent at the Heartland Institute, on Glenn Beck, and Coast to Coast AM radio, he’s not significant in scientific circles.

Posted 87 days ago.

Stillhere

I never consider seeking truth a “game.”

So how is it you seek truth in a forum chat room? Its a place to argue, and to post dueling links that are dismissed out of hand. If one bases his belief in an exhaustive search for truth, why don't you know about Dr Ball? He is a very prominent skeptic and surely one would have to entertain his thoughts before making up ones mind that the science is settled. Perhaps not

Posted 87 days ago.

Stillhere

Harry, was never my intent to SWAY you, only setting the record straight.

Posted 87 days ago.

harryanderson

Stillhere, I thank you for your newfound courtesy, which makes debate more pleasant.

I never consider seeking truth a “game.”

I concede that Dr. Ball is a climatologist. I also take back my statement that he’s a “geography teacher.” While that’s literally true, it’s misleading, and I should have researched it more before I posted. Very careless of me. He was a professor of climatology in the Dept. of Geography.

So yes, Dr. Ball is one climatologist who denies global warming is a greenhouse gas. His specialty seems to be in the historical record rather than the physics.

Still, I’m not swayed by his disavowal of CO2 as a greenhouse gas for two reasons.

1. Among a great many climatologists, even skeptical ones, he’s apparently alone in his disavowal.

2. He admits to an “inadequate understanding of physics to openly challenge” the theory that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

So have a good w/e.

Posted 87 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Really tiredbrain ?? lolol

Stillhere

So if you wish to attack the mans credentials, go ahead as he is not here to defend himself. However, I would hazard to guess he is far more qualified to speak on the topic than anyone here.

Posted 87 days ago.

Stillhere

Hope its a fox free weekend, waiting for my birds to go to roost then its over to the house for some LOVELY turkey my wife is cooking,

Posted 87 days ago.

moderation

Tired- it can be determined what species of plant life existed at specific points in time. And a good weekend it will be.

Posted 87 days ago.

Stillhere

So with that, I AM DONE. Again, have a GREAT WEEKEND, sorry its so cold

Posted 87 days ago.

Stillhere

Before you go to a warming site and post it.

Further, it is claimed that Dr. Ball falsely declares himself to be the first or one of the first Ph.D.s in Climatology in Canada or in the world. These claims certainly abound [2], though noticeably not on his bio for his current job at the NRSP [1]. He certainly does have a Ph.D. in climatology, dated 26 October 1983 [6]. Examples given of previous Canadian Climatology Ph.D.s include •Kenneth Hare, a well-respected Professor at McGill, who received his Ph.D. in 1950, also in the UK. •Climatologist Andre Robert (Ph.D. from McGill, 1965), who pioneered computer climate modeling. •Timothy Oke, a leader in the study of urban climate, received his Ph.D. from McMaster in 1967.

Posted 87 days ago.

Stillhere

Just one more defense of DR Ball since he has been maligned as a geography teacher,

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Posted 87 days ago.

Stillhere

The following comes from an October 20, 2006, byline profile by the Frontier Centre for Tim Ball[5]: "Tim Ball has an extensive science background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition with additional experience in water resources and areas of sustainable development, pollution prevention, environmental regulations, the impact of government policy on business and economics. He is a regular contributing writer for Country Guide Magazine and a researcher/author of numerous papers on climate, long range weather patterns, impacts of climate change on sustainable agriculture, ecosystems, historical climatology, air quality, untapped energy resources, silting and flooding problems. He had a long academic career at the University of Winnipeg until he moved to Victoria in 1996. He has a BA from the University of Winnipeg, an MA from the University of Manitoba and a PH.D (Doctor of Science)

Posted 87 days ago.

Stillhere

However, a rousing discussion of chicken predation would be something I would welcome.

Posted 87 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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