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2 days ago.
by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

Since you say we all pick what science to believe, Tiredofit--

Which scientists do you believe on this issue.

Posted 59 days ago.

Tiredofit

I know nothing I can post will change the minds of the converted, as we all pick and choose whats "science" we believe and that which we are skeptical of.

Posted 59 days ago.

Tiredofit

The 97% consensus – a lie of epic proportions Posted by Anthony Watts

Posted 59 days ago.

Tiredofit

Here’s the genesis of the lie. When you take a result of 32.6% of all papers that accept AGW, ignoring the 66% that don’t, and twist that into 97%, excluding any mention of that original value in your media reports, there’s nothing else to call it – a lie of presidential proportions.

Posted 59 days ago.

harryanderson

And Cook himself asked some of the authors to rate their own papers, but he didn’t confine himself to a cherry-picked sample of seven. He asked 8500 of the original 12,000 authors to rate their papers. Of the 8500 authors, 1200, authors of 2142 of the 12,000 papers, responded, and 97.2% supported the consensus view.

htt p://ww w.skepticalscience.co m/Consensus-Project-self-rating-data-now-available.html

Cook’s 97% stands, especially as it’s supported by Doran & Kendall-Zimmerman 2009, Rosenberg et al 2010, and Anderegg et al 2010.

Posted 60 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit claims the Cook study is invalid because of a blog post that asked a whole 7 authors, all skeptics, to compare Cook’s ratings of their papers to their own.

The post referred to only 7 papers. Out of 12,000 papers Cook reviewed, the 7 polled by the blog is statistically insignificant.

Not only that, one of the authors cherry-picked to poll, Nir Shaviv, admits: “I couldn't write these things more explicitly in the paper because of the refereeing.”

Since Shiviv himself wrote misleading words, Cook, et. al. may be excused for misclassifying them.

htt p://ww w.forbes.co m/sites/jamestaylor/2013/05/30/global-warming-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/

Posted 60 days ago.

Kendall78

Drat Harry, you threw that out too early. I was going to put that up after Tired would try to say that stabilized was good.

Posted 61 days ago.

harryanderson

Politifact reports:

"Even Paul C. 'Chip' Knappenberger, a scholar at the Cato Institute, said Rubio had gone too far by saying the situation had 'stabilized.' While global warming 'certainly has slowed down considerably' over the past 16 or 17 years, Knappenberger said confirmation that the situation has 'stabilized' would take 'another 10 to 20 years.'

"'The pace will probably pick back up again at sometime in the future,' Knappenberger said. 'But when that will be, or what the new pace will be, are far from scientifically agreed upon characteristics.'"

Posted 61 days ago.

harryanderson

On O'Reilly's show, Rubio said "surface temperatures (on) the earth have stabilized." Politifact rated Rubio's statement "mostly false."

htt p://ww w.politifact.co m/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/27/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-surface-temperatures-earth-have-st/

Posted 61 days ago.

Kendall78

Now obviously a politician that dumb would be voted out if he actually thought that way about "stablization" of a historically high murder rate as something positive.

But why is it that there are people that think a "stabilized" (Marco Rubio), yet historically high, global warming rate is something positive?

Posted 61 days ago.

Kendall78

Paraphrasing something I heard a person say; For twenty years the murder rate of our (blank)city has risen steadily with an increase of 2 more murders per year.

Mr. Politician comes to the podium and explains that going over the paperwork, it is a fact that the murder rate had in fact stabilized in their city.

A reporter asks if that means the rate is going down, Mr. Politician says, "no".

So the rate is still historically high? Mr. Politician says, "yes".

So what are you going to do about the murder rate then? Mr. Politician says, "Why..nothing..why would we, the murder rate has stablizied."

Posted 61 days ago.

Kendall78

Since you bring up Cook; "he majored in solar physics in his post-grad honours year. He is not a climate scientist. Consequently, the science presented on Skeptical Science is not his own but taken directly from the peer reviewed scientific literature. To those seeking to refute the science presented, one needs to address the peer reviewed papers where the science comes from. There is no funding to maintain Skeptical Science other than ****** donations - it's run at personal expense. John Cook has no affiliations with any organisations or political groups."

This is from his own website so it seems he is pretty straight forward with his site's position on science.

Posted 61 days ago.

Kendall78

Skeptical Science was merely for reference. If you believe information posted there or not, let it be because the science is good or bad...not because of the person who put it there.

Posted 61 days ago.

Kendall78

"So you agree that funding can taint information?"

I've never gave a agree or disagree on the topic. Others have but I rather let the science speak for itself.

My mentioning Legates affiliations was strictly for those that think it's more about politics than science.

Posted 61 days ago.

Tiredofit

Great source

Posted 61 days ago.

Tiredofit

About Skeptical Science

This site was created by John Cook. I'm not a climatologist or a scientist but a self employed cartoonist and web programmer by trade. I did a Physics degree at the University of Queensland and while I achieved First Class Honours and could've continued onto a PhD, I instead quit academia and became a professional scrawler. Too much doodling in lectures, I think. Nevertheless, I've pursued a keen interest in science and if anything, found my curiosity about how the world works increased once I wasn't forced to study for impending exams.

My interest in global warming began when I drew a cartoon spoof of the TV show 24 that wondered what Jack Bauer would do if Al Gore was President and global warming was the "threat du jour".

Posted 61 days ago.

Tiredofit

About Skeptical Science

This site was created by John Cook. I'm not a climatologist or a scientist but a self employed cartoonist and web programmer by trade. I did a Physics degree at the University of Queensland and while I achieved First Class Honours and could've continued onto a PhD, I instead quit academia and became a professional scrawler. Too much doodling in lectures, I think. Nevertheless, I've pursued a keen interest in science and if anything, found my curiosity about how the world works increased once I wasn't forced to study for impending exams.

My interest in global warming began when I drew a cartoon spoof of the TV show 24 that wondered what Jack Bauer would do if Al Gore was President and global warming was the "threat du jour".

Posted 61 days ago.

Tiredofit

Cook is an activist, hardly a neutral observer.

Posted 61 days ago.

Tiredofit

Errrrrrrr you do know john cook runs the supposed skeptical scientist website right Cooking Climate Consensus Data: “97% of Scientists Affirm AGW" Debunked New American.

Posted 61 days ago.

Tiredofit

So you agree that funding can taint information?

Posted 61 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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