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99 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

Stillhere,

Your criticism of the article I posted doesn't hold water for several reasons.

1. You mistakenly referred to it as an "opinion piece," when it was published in hard news under science; it wasn't published in the op-ed section, So calling it an opinion piece is nothing more than your opinion,

2. Even if Gillis believes the science, he doesn't give his say so in this article.

3, The only opinions to which I referred were the opinions of Lindzen, Do you deny any of those opinions are Lindzen's?

Your criticism falls flat. You want to talk about Gillis, not what Lindzen told him.

Posted 477 days ago.

hey mod, if John Coleman lacks the credentials you feel a common sense meteorologist should have, tell us the degrees you hold which make you qualified to post with such authority on the same subject.

Personally I am not impressed as much with degrees as I am with intelligent scholarship and self education.

Posted 477 days ago.

mythravere

Ohwiseone you do know what the pronunciation of Faux is right?

It sounds like Fo or Foe.

Posted 477 days ago.

harryanderson

Ohwiseone, I wish you'd stop with the name-calling. It isn't helpful.

Posted 477 days ago.

harryanderson

I have faith in our system, and I believe the nonpolitical problem-solvers will shove the lying politicians aside, roll up their sleeves, and fix it. It's already happening with some of our biggest, most hard-headed institutions like Exxon, Shell, and the Dept. of Defense.

Posted 477 days ago.

harryanderson

Al Gore apparently misled people with his movie. I say " apparently" because I haven't seen it. He's a politician, and he seems to think a catastrophe is coming unless we enact his political agenda.

My review of the science causes me to disagree with the gloom-and-doom political-agenda bunch. I agree with the CEO of Exxon, who said, "It's an engineering problem with an engineering solution."

So I'm optimistic. We*****at politics, but we're great engineers.

If the politicking doesn't prevent the engineering, we'll be fine.

Posted 477 days ago.

harryanderson

Dr. Lindzen " has had difficulty establishing his case in the scientific literature," so he has taken it to the political arena.

Unfortunately, political-agenda discussions are the places we least expect to find truth. Whether they be on the right or on the left, politicians lie.

Posted 477 days ago.

harryanderson

Dr. Lindzen agrees with global warming GHG's, but predicts They will cause little harm because fewer cirrus clouds will allow more AGW heat to escape.

However--

"Today, most mainstream researchers consider Dr. Lindzen’s theory discredited. He does not agree, but he has had difficulty establishing his case in the scientific literature."

Posted 477 days ago.

harryanderson

Exactly. I've never known a climate scientist to deny that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Only political-agenda people.

According to the NYT article I referenced earlier, even the aforementioned "Dr. Lindzen accepts the elementary tenets of climate science. He agrees that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, calling people who dispute that point 'nutty.' He agrees that the level of it is rising because of human activity and that this should warm the climate."

Posted 477 days ago.

moderation

You're late, tired.

Posted 477 days ago.

moderation

Do you really consider the opinion of a journalist to be portrayed and accepted as the opinion of an educated and accredited, field tester scholar of a scientific discipline,ithink? .Coleman, first of all was a "weatherman", with a degree in journalism.He wasn't published.He served with the Weather Channel for ONE year,only.He was a businessman,who could could do weather segments for TV.And his denouncement of GW/CG was totally political,not scientifically factual in any way. And,Happer.Well he is a physicist, but optics is his area of expertise.And he basically said that excessive co2 was a good thing for this planet. And, all of this on Tea Party stationary.

Posted 477 days ago.

harryanderson

Anyway, you can continue your political-agenda discussion without me for a while. It's time to play basketball.

Posted 478 days ago.

harryanderson

I agree that the politicians and greenies like to portray catastrophe. I am in neither group.

Since I belong to neither group, I'm more focused on Lindzen's scientific opinions, and whether those are shared by his peers, than his political opinions.

That's why I don't respond to the obsession you and Ithink have with my politics. For me, it's a scientific discussion, not a political agenda.

Posted 478 days ago.

All very true, Stillhere.

The article about Coleman is out new today. I know he has been discussed before. He says no warming in over 18 years.

Good talking to you. Gonna take a break.

Posted 478 days ago.

harryanderson

Well, Stillhere, I see you refuse to ackowledge the contradictions in your own statements.

At least Dr. Lindzen, unlike you, acknowledges some of the major mistakes he's made. The NYT reported:

"Dr. Lindzen acknowledged that the 2009 paper contained 'some stupid mistakes' in his handling of the satellite data. 'It was just embarrassing,' he said in an interview. 'The technical details of satellite measurements are really sort of grotesque.'”

h ttp://w ww.nytimes.c om/2012/05/01/science/earth/clouds-effect-on-climate-change-is-last-bastion-for-dissenters.html?pagewanted=3&_r=0

Stillhere, you seem ignorant of.basic attribution principles, so I wonder if your info came from the research that Dr. Lindzen said contains "embarrassing" "stupid mistakes."

Posted 478 days ago.

The Canadians are having a little excitement today. Our time will come. Before G W gets us.

Posted 478 days ago.

You mean he will keep on trying to scare us with his wisdom about the sky falling? Oh shoot.

Posted 478 days ago.

I feel so sorry for poor harry. It has to be soooo upsetting that his fellow republicans say his pet theory is a lie. I am sure he values the opinions of his fellow republicans and is hurt by this. lol

Posted 478 days ago.

It's over, Stillhere. The warmers should stop embarrassing themselves and slink back in to their hole.

Posted 478 days ago.

h ttp://w ww.express.co.uk/news/nature/526191

"Climate-change-is-a-lie-global-warming-not-real-claims-weather-channel-founder

Climate change PROVED to be 'nothing but a lie', claims top meteorologist THE debate about climate change is finished - because it has been categorically proved NOT to exist, one of the world's leading meteorologists has claimed"

Posted 478 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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