Sign In | Create an Account | Welcome, . My Account | Logout | Subscribe | Submit News | Facebook | Twitter | All Access E-Edition | Home RSS
 
 
 
Latest Post:
Started By:
Rank:
Category
41 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
#1

Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

Member Comments

Maybe you haven't noticed, ohwiseone, but you don't get to decide what we talk about. This is not communist USA yet. Just strain your brain with your idiot questions. No one cares. You should work with the obama administration. No one there knows anything so you could fit right in. The IRS, ebola, Isis,Benghazi,climate hysteria, racial tensions,obamacare,border chaos..........all right up your alley of mutual expertise with the obama failures.

Posted 558 days ago.

Someone pulled the string and the baloney poured out again.

Posted 558 days ago.

harryanderson

I'm outta here. My time is too valuable to get into a name-calling battle.

Posted 558 days ago.

harryanderson

"Lindzen is far more Learned that you will ever be."

In climate science, for sure. In political thought, I seriously doubt it. In fact, his sweeping generalizations show unsophisticated political thinking.

Posted 558 days ago.

harryanderson

And a very large majority of climate scientists, according to several studies, have analyzed the data and predicted anthropogenic global climate change will threaten infrastructure and crop yields in the future.

Posted 558 days ago.

harryanderson

And if Michael Mann has a political outlook, that doesn't mean anything to me, either. I'd never quote Michael Mann the political commentator because I don't care about his political leanings.

Climate scientists aren't there to provide public policy prescriptions, which involves other areas of expertise like economics. Climate scientists are there to analyze physical data and make predictions about future warming.

Posted 558 days ago.

harryanderson

I'd rather see Richard Lindzen be right than Michael Mann.

Posted 558 days ago.

harryanderson

So Dr. Lindzen ventures into the political realm, as is his right in a free society, but we need to remember that expertise in one area doesn’t mean expertise in another.

I said earlier that Dr. Lindzen’s opinions merit serious consideration. I should make it clear that his scientific opinions merit consideration because he’s has the education and background to speak authoritatively.

However, I don’t factor Dr. Lindzen’s political leanings into my decision on whether to accept the conclusions of the large majority of climate scientists. He’s not credible in this area.

Posted 558 days ago.

harryanderson

That should read, "Scientists provide evidence for their claims. Lindzen provides no evidence for this claim."

Posted 558 days ago.

harryanderson

So is it Lindzen the scientist or Lindzen the political commentator speaking here?

The political commentator, of course. We know this for two reasons.

1. Scientists provide evidence for their claims. Lindzen provides none. It’s opinion.

2. Scientists appeal to the intellect, not the emotion. Notice the emotional language Lindzen employs here. “Crony capitalism” is a pejorative currently in vogue to attack “green” energy projects. And “see their eyes bulge” is intended to demean someone. (Lindzen doesn’t say whom he demeans, which is another departure from scientific dialogue; scientists should make their data available.)

It’s clear Lindzen functions as a political commentator, and that’s probably why he “no longer makes any effort to engage with the scientific community about his theories.” See the Weekly Standard article I sourced earlier.

Posted 558 days ago.

harryanderson

I wrote that I had 2 issues with Lindzen: 1. He has a political slant. 2. He makes confident predictions after saying the future climate is too complex to predict.

And now Stillhere has posted a statement that reinforces my first issue—Lindzen’s political focus.

Stillhere posted, “’Global warming, climate change, all these things are just a dream come true for politicians. The opportunities for taxation, for policies, for control, for crony capitalism are just immense, you can see their eyes bulge,’ Lindzen said.”

That is what the Weekly Standard called “a political outlook..”

Straight from the Lindzen lips.

Since Dr. Lindzen mixes politics, which nearly always involves lies, with science, which involves unbiased search for truth, how can we know which side of him speaks at any given time? Is it the scientist or the political commentator?

Posted 558 days ago.

Look at the crony huge grant Al got just last week. Hardly risky.

Posted 558 days ago.

Silly lefties here do a good job of imitating obnoxious posters on democratic underground, move on, huffingtonpost, and hardly watched MSNBC. Crude and uninformed.

Fox News does not need me to defend them. Their ratings speak for them.

Posted 558 days ago.

Be very very fearful, the sun is shining.

Run andd hide, it might rain.

It will snow this winter, vote democrat to stop it.

Utiliies are expensive. Ask Al to send you a dollar or two.

Sorry that Al's record for giving to the needy is so bad. But his family's black housekeeper did say that the Gores would bring her a sandwich to the hot car where she waited while they dined in luxury.

Posted 558 days ago.

mythravere

So Stillhere/Tiredofit. Why'd they ban you?

I mean come on tell us. Because I am sure you are innocent and they did it just to persecute your widdle self.

Posted 558 days ago.

mythravere

"But of all the things to threaten, sure gives us a peek into the dark world a Myth. One has to wonder why he chose that."

I took a play out of the rightwing playbook.

Shock and Awe. Whooo Aaaahh.

Posted 558 days ago.

mythravere

My stating of that had nothing to do with capitalism or corporations. In fact I stated Canada as a good place to go. There is capitalism and corporations there.

Canada also doesn't have a rightwing party so twisted in a tizzy that they don't know reality from a rat hole.

Fortunately News Corp failed at taking their brand of rabid news up there and saved the Canadians a lot of grief.

That tells me that those people are smart and would probably make good company.

This country on the other hand is probably going to fall because of the Us vs Them paradigm that is playing out right now.

Posted 558 days ago.

Left wing crazies are loose.

Posted 558 days ago.

Myth,on your early days on this forum you clearly had socialist ideals. You said many times you would rather live in another country, and not in this bad place of corporations and capitalism.

Kendall, ohwiseone demanded several times to know how Al Gore is getting richer from climare change. MYOB

Posted 558 days ago.

mythravere

Say Tiredofit/Stillhere what exactly did you do to get kicked off of two sites?

I must have missed it.

Posted 558 days ago.
 
 
 
 

Post a Comment

You must first login before you can comment.

*Your email address:
*Password:
Remember my email address.
or