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99 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

So I checked it out and found that, past the headline, Dr. Ball wrote,

"Several years ago at a conference someone questioned CO2 as a greenhouse gas. A senior climate skeptic gave what I considered a political answer. He said it was foolish to say it was not a greenhouse gas. The best approach is to say the human contribution was insignificant. I disagreed, but had inadequate understanding of physics to openly challenge. "

See more at: h ttp://drtimball.co m/2012/co2-is-not-a-greenhouse-gas-that-raises-global-temperature-period/#sthash.F2DbxbY5.dpuf

Dr. Ball admits that his "inadequate knowledge of physics" keeps limits him.

And that is to be expected, since Dr. Ball is a retired geography teacher, and not a climate scientist.

So I still don't know any scientist who disputes that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

Posted 468 days ago.

harryanderson

"CO2 is not a Greenhouse Gas that Raises Global temperature. Period! by Dr. Tim Ball"

I'd lime to check that statement out. Did it come from you? If not, would you care to name your source?

Posted 468 days ago.

harryanderson

Yes, I'm convinced that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, since I know of no climate scientist who denies it.

The only ones I know of who deny it are politicians and cultural warriors, but I don't value their their opinions on science very highly.

Posted 468 days ago.

harryanderson

"There seems to be a connection between warmer cycles and CO2 but I am not convinced is there is a cause and effect."

Every climate scientist I know of agrees there is a cause and effect relationship. Even those who disagree with the majority position--like Judith Curry and Richard Lindzen--agree the atmospheric CO2 traps heat. They disagree on the magnitude of the effect, not that an effect exists.

Posted 468 days ago.

harryanderson

Sure we need a mature, responsible electorate. We need voters who are inoculated against power-mad propagandists who try to make every issue into a political and cultural war.

Look at climate science. Cultural polarization keeps people from agreeing on a basic fact: one I have never seen an actual climate scientist dispute.

It's mad, and it's destroying our country. If we don't come to our senses, we're headed for another civil war.

Posted 468 days ago.

harryanderson

So, Stillhere, do you agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that prevents heat from escaping a system like the earth?

Posted 468 days ago.

mythravere

If I had my way people would be "elected" on merit and qualifications alone with special attention paid to possible conflicts of interest that they might bring into play if they were given a position in government.

Like having former members of the large financial institutions running the government department that oversees said institutions.

I can't really do justice to what I have in mind on here. It would take pages of posts to layout what I am thinking.

Posted 468 days ago.

mythravere

If I had my way I'd throw everyone in an elected position out of government. Then I'd set the system up where basically government positions would be filled by a sort of selected service type of system.

A person with say an education background and of the right experience would be asked if they want a four year term as say head of the government education dept.

The main point is to put a full stop to those that seek power in political form.

Anyone looking for power is not to be trusted.

We can see very well that special interests have a chokehold on almost every aspect of government.

In my opinion that is the existential threat that this nation faces.

Posted 468 days ago.

mythravere

"Could be to further slide into the BIG GOVT socialist system. (anti capitalism)"

As far as that goes. I am more concerned with a government that flat out doesn't work at all.

And with our country becoming more and more divided over partisan issues that disfunction is just going to get worse.

There are things that we need to get done. Failing infrastructure for example. But those things aren't even on anyones radar because everyone is fighting over hot button issues.

Posted 468 days ago.

mythravere

My problem with the "green" movement is that a lot of what it proposes as solutions to climate change are just wishful overly optimistic thinking.

Thinking that im my opinion doesn't jive with reality.

Take nuclear power for example. Other than fossil fuels its the only current energy source we have that can provide large amounts of energy in a small footprint.

Wind,solar and hydropower on the other hand have to have massive footprints to come even close to providing the power output that fossil fuels and nuclear can provide.

Posted 468 days ago.

mythravere

As far as the what the ultimate goal of those who push this issue are though?

It could be out of concern. But it could also be out of having a new profitable market in sight.

I always joked with my parents that if the powers that be could they'd charge us for the air we breath.

On the flip side. Those who have interests laying in fossil fuels see any shift away from the energy resources they provide as a threat. And they respond by throwing doubt into the debate. Which is ok as long as its well founded.

Like asking whether or not renewable energy can actually work for us. What will the costs be etc.

Posted 468 days ago.

mythravere

Here's my problem with this and really any issue.

The special interests that muddy up the truth on the issues that we face.

That pertains to everyone on each either of the issue. Then you have the emotional component and that just muddies things up even more.

Posted 468 days ago.

moderation

Can we agree that the level of co2 in our atmosphere has a history that is recorded in ice accumulations at the poles? Can we agree that high levels of co2 have accompanied higher earth temperatures? Can we agree that co2 levels are the highest they have been in 1 million years?

Posted 468 days ago.

mythravere

But I don't see renewables as being able to completely take the weight of our energy needs. At least in the foreseeable future.

I also support nuclear energy. Just don't build it at sea level in a tsunami prone area.

Posted 469 days ago.

mythravere

I can easily agree with all of those.

I will also offer that this issue has gotten to the point where it is almost too toxic to deal with in any manner.

The only thing I think that needs to be answered is can anything be done about it. Stopping it that is.

As far as its validity. My feelings are that with a growing world population we are going to need how bunch of energy in the future. So taking care of that need will help with the issue of climate change. Sustainable energy is the key to both of those.

To me its killing two birds with one stone. To me the validity of climate change isn't all that important. Our energy needs though are very important and an all of the above approach is warranted.

Posted 469 days ago.

mythravere

The grass in the field was wet so the son pretty much "water skied" behind the horse as it took off down the field.

Now from the time he threw the lasso to when the horse had him in tow was like 5 seconds at most.

I'd say he was pulled a good 60 to 70 feet until he was able to get his hand free.

That could have ended a lot worse than it did.

Man was that a sight.

Posted 470 days ago.

mythravere

"Speaking of teeth and hooves, I once saw a horse pick a large woman out of the saddle of another horse by her arse and shake her like a dog with a sock. THE POWER was impressive."

Yep. One of my parents neighbors has some horses. Well one got loose and I went with their son to go wrangle it up. Well we found it taking in someones elses greener pasture.

He fashions a lasso out of an old course nylon rope I had. On his end he basically made a small loop for him to hold onto. He made a big mistake in how he made that loop. Well he's out in this field with the horse and he sure enough lasso's it but the horse is having none of it so it takes off like a bat out of hades. At that point Im standing maybe 50 ft away across a creek bordering the field on a road so I get a full view what happens next.

That loop he made pulled tight around his hand and he got taken for a bit of a "ride".

Posted 470 days ago.

I've been enjoying all the fox stories. We caught a young one this summer in a live trap set for groundhogs. The older ones know better.

As for the coyote problem, we have a donkey here for that. Can't prove it works, and can't prove it doesn't. Some people are really believers.

Posted 470 days ago.

absolem

you are welcome moderation and good luck with your fowl protection challenge.

Posted 470 days ago.

moderation

And, thanks for the tip on fowl security!

Posted 470 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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