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7 hours ago.
by Stillhere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

And if Michael Mann has a political outlook, that doesn't mean anything to me, either. I'd never quote Michael Mann the political commentator because I don't care about his political leanings.

Climate scientists aren't there to provide public policy prescriptions, which involves other areas of expertise like economics. Climate scientists are there to analyze physical data and make predictions about future warming.

Posted 30 days ago.

harryanderson

I'd rather see Richard Lindzen be right than Michael Mann.

Posted 30 days ago.

harryanderson

So Dr. Lindzen ventures into the political realm, as is his right in a free society, but we need to remember that expertise in one area doesn’t mean expertise in another.

I said earlier that Dr. Lindzen’s opinions merit serious consideration. I should make it clear that his scientific opinions merit consideration because he’s has the education and background to speak authoritatively.

However, I don’t factor Dr. Lindzen’s political leanings into my decision on whether to accept the conclusions of the large majority of climate scientists. He’s not credible in this area.

Posted 30 days ago.

Stillhere

Lindzen is far more Learned that you will ever be

Posted 30 days ago.

Stillhere

Ahh but Michael Mann has no political agenda nor does Algore lol you have a very bias way of looking at things Harry. But I get it, its your religion

Posted 30 days ago.

harryanderson

That should read, "Scientists provide evidence for their claims. Lindzen provides no evidence for this claim."

Posted 30 days ago.

harryanderson

So is it Lindzen the scientist or Lindzen the political commentator speaking here?

The political commentator, of course. We know this for two reasons.

1. Scientists provide evidence for their claims. Lindzen provides none. It’s opinion.

2. Scientists appeal to the intellect, not the emotion. Notice the emotional language Lindzen employs here. “Crony capitalism” is a pejorative currently in vogue to attack “green” energy projects. And “see their eyes bulge” is intended to demean someone. (Lindzen doesn’t say whom he demeans, which is another departure from scientific dialogue; scientists should make their data available.)

It’s clear Lindzen functions as a political commentator, and that’s probably why he “no longer makes any effort to engage with the scientific community about his theories.” See the Weekly Standard article I sourced earlier.

Posted 30 days ago.

harryanderson

I wrote that I had 2 issues with Lindzen: 1. He has a political slant. 2. He makes confident predictions after saying the future climate is too complex to predict.

And now Stillhere has posted a statement that reinforces my first issue—Lindzen’s political focus.

Stillhere posted, “’Global warming, climate change, all these things are just a dream come true for politicians. The opportunities for taxation, for policies, for control, for crony capitalism are just immense, you can see their eyes bulge,’ Lindzen said.”

That is what the Weekly Standard called “a political outlook..”

Straight from the Lindzen lips.

Since Dr. Lindzen mixes politics, which nearly always involves lies, with science, which involves unbiased search for truth, how can we know which side of him speaks at any given time? Is it the scientist or the political commentator?

Posted 30 days ago.

Stillhere

'There is NO Climate Crisis' Man-made global warming is a lie and not backed up by science, claims leading meteorologist

Posted 30 days ago.

Stillhere

Look at any topic on this or the Times site and you will see his name on them all, his life is so pathetic he talks to himself online lol

Posted 30 days ago.

Stillhere

Ithink I would recommend you just ignore UNWISEONE, he's a pathetic person

Posted 30 days ago.

Ohwiseone

And its simple , Al Gores investment company can invest in anything he wants , so what ?

Posted 30 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Another inconvenient question !! LOLOL And still , we are waiting ........... Pay attention to how they seek to deflect from the question !!!

Posted 30 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Why are you so very afraid to answer a simple question ? So NO this isn't going away and you can try to ignore , deny, deflect all you right-wing minions of Faux want , but it will be right here waiting for you !

Posted 30 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Who is going to make money and how are they earning it ,by warning folks that we need to take care of our planet and why has the Arctic lost about 70% of its total volume of sea ice over the past three decades ? I'm still betting on aliens !(sarcasm)

Posted 30 days ago.

Stillhere

I rarely read anything either post, if you've read one, you've read them all

Posted 30 days ago.

Ohwiseone

It was well over 300 when it got booted and it appears we are on our way to another 300 !Sure proof of a troll !Whats meaningless is the 230 pages and counting of the tiredbrain trolls idiotic right-wing blustering ! It has absolutely no proof for what it proposes !

Posted 30 days ago.

Ohwiseone

And the local brainwashed minions of Faux don't really know exactly what socialism is ! They just spew that crap out here because that's what they say on Faux and El Lardass !If they only knew that there are many government programs that would be considered "socialist " !

Posted 30 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Here we go with the ole republican arse patting ! And yes when applied to this thread their accuracy rating of 28% speaks for itself !

Posted 30 days ago.

Stillhere

These are the "useful idiots" that all socialist systems depend on

Posted 30 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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