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7 hours ago.
by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Stillhere

There seems to be a connection between warmer cycles and CO2 but I am not convinced is there is a cause and effect.

Posted 50 days ago.

Stillhere

I can say this about co2, it's a natural trace gas that is essential to life on earth.

Posted 50 days ago.

Stillhere

Myth I dont think that's a good idea, shall we put the head of Exxon in charge of the dept of energy? What we need is a mature responsible electorate that knows more about the constitution than the Kardashians.

Posted 50 days ago.

harryanderson

So, Stillhere, do you agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that prevents heat from escaping a system like the earth?

Posted 50 days ago.

mythravere

If I had my way people would be "elected" on merit and qualifications alone with special attention paid to possible conflicts of interest that they might bring into play if they were given a position in government.

Like having former members of the large financial institutions running the government department that oversees said institutions.

I can't really do justice to what I have in mind on here. It would take pages of posts to layout what I am thinking.

Posted 50 days ago.

mythravere

If I had my way I'd throw everyone in an elected position out of government. Then I'd set the system up where basically government positions would be filled by a sort of selected service type of system.

A person with say an education background and of the right experience would be asked if they want a four year term as say head of the government education dept.

The main point is to put a full stop to those that seek power in political form.

Anyone looking for power is not to be trusted.

We can see very well that special interests have a chokehold on almost every aspect of government.

In my opinion that is the existential threat that this nation faces.

Posted 50 days ago.

mythravere

"Could be to further slide into the BIG GOVT socialist system. (anti capitalism)"

As far as that goes. I am more concerned with a government that flat out doesn't work at all.

And with our country becoming more and more divided over partisan issues that disfunction is just going to get worse.

There are things that we need to get done. Failing infrastructure for example. But those things aren't even on anyones radar because everyone is fighting over hot button issues.

Posted 50 days ago.

mythravere

My problem with the "green" movement is that a lot of what it proposes as solutions to climate change are just wishful overly optimistic thinking.

Thinking that im my opinion doesn't jive with reality.

Take nuclear power for example. Other than fossil fuels its the only current energy source we have that can provide large amounts of energy in a small footprint.

Wind,solar and hydropower on the other hand have to have massive footprints to come even close to providing the power output that fossil fuels and nuclear can provide.

Posted 50 days ago.

mythravere

As far as the what the ultimate goal of those who push this issue are though?

It could be out of concern. But it could also be out of having a new profitable market in sight.

I always joked with my parents that if the powers that be could they'd charge us for the air we breath.

On the flip side. Those who have interests laying in fossil fuels see any shift away from the energy resources they provide as a threat. And they respond by throwing doubt into the debate. Which is ok as long as its well founded.

Like asking whether or not renewable energy can actually work for us. What will the costs be etc.

Posted 50 days ago.

mythravere

Here's my problem with this and really any issue.

The special interests that muddy up the truth on the issues that we face.

That pertains to everyone on each either of the issue. Then you have the emotional component and that just muddies things up even more.

Posted 50 days ago.

Stillhere

whats the greater goal?

Could be continuing to profit from fossil fuels

Could be to make a fortune in "green" energy investments (think ALGORE HERE)

Could be to further slide into the BIG GOVT socialist system. (anti capitalism)

Could be all of the above

Posted 50 days ago.

Stillhere

To me the validity of climate change isn't all that important.

I think that's the problem in a nutshell, there are many that feel that way, the GREATER GOAL is whats important.

Posted 50 days ago.

Stillhere

I think I agree most with your statement that CO2 levels and Temps appear to go together, however, I don't think we really know if that's a leading or lagging indicator.

Posted 50 days ago.

Stillhere

Sorry MOD I cannot go there with you. Not saying anything you state is proven to be UNTRUE, I just don't know if we really understand the past as well as some might think

Posted 50 days ago.

moderation

Can we agree that the level of co2 in our atmosphere has a history that is recorded in ice accumulations at the poles? Can we agree that high levels of co2 have accompanied higher earth temperatures? Can we agree that co2 levels are the highest they have been in 1 million years?

Posted 50 days ago.

mythravere

But I don't see renewables as being able to completely take the weight of our energy needs. At least in the foreseeable future.

I also support nuclear energy. Just don't build it at sea level in a tsunami prone area.

Posted 51 days ago.

mythravere

I can easily agree with all of those.

I will also offer that this issue has gotten to the point where it is almost too toxic to deal with in any manner.

The only thing I think that needs to be answered is can anything be done about it. Stopping it that is.

As far as its validity. My feelings are that with a growing world population we are going to need how bunch of energy in the future. So taking care of that need will help with the issue of climate change. Sustainable energy is the key to both of those.

To me its killing two birds with one stone. To me the validity of climate change isn't all that important. Our energy needs though are very important and an all of the above approach is warranted.

Posted 51 days ago.

Stillhere

These are my questions

Posted 51 days ago.

Stillhere

Can we also agree that the hyperbolic BS serves NO ONE?

Posted 51 days ago.

Stillhere

Can we admit that politicians LIE and have but ONE concern, their own power>?

Posted 51 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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