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by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Kunectdots

"Sun Opens Explosive Plasma 'Arms' in Solar Eruption" (Video)

h ttp://news.yahoo.c om/sun-opens-explosive-plasma-arms-solar-eruption-video-174240084.html

"Stop Anthropogenic Explosive Plasma Arms, now !!!!.................think of the childrennnnnnnnnnn" (Well said)

Posted 449 days ago.

harryanderson

KO CO2, say GOP EPA chiefs.

In a NYT op-ed, four former EPA administrators under Republican Presidents Nixon, Reagan, G.H.W. Bush, and G.W. Bush write,

“There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected.”

“The costs of inaction are undeniable. The lines of scientific evidence grow only stronger and more numerous. And the window of time remaining to act is growing smaller: delay could mean that warming becomes ‘locked in.’”

w ww.nytimes.c om/2013/08/02/opinion/a-republican-case-for-climate-action.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&

Many Republicans agree “there is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts.”

Posted 449 days ago.

mythravere

"can GOVT control the climate, errrrr no they cannot." Actually they might and I stress might be able to. It was after the Air Force I believe who published a study on "owning" the weather as a means fighting a war.

What must be considered is that if they did the sure as heck would not want you to know about it. Take the uproar over all the data mining and surveillance going on. If it came out that they had the capability of making target changes in the weather. The uproar would.....lets just say it'd be magnitudes of order larger than whats happening right now with the big brother angle.

Posted 451 days ago.

Kendall78

@Thats- even if every person in the world that reads the facts and arrives to the conclusion that climate change is happening would die today...that would not change the fact that climate change is happening. People believing or not believing in something doesn't change facts.

Posted 452 days ago.

harryanderson

Shivering and sweating shape perceptions.

The U.M.-Muhlenberg study, referenced at the beginning of this thread, has conducted a new survey. On June 19, they reported:

“The percentage of Americans surveyed who think there is solid evidence of global warming remained at a majority, or 63 percent, in the spring. That's down from 67 percent surveyed last fall, which was the highest since 2008.”

"’The fairly cold winter and slow arriving spring weather this year appears to have contributed to a slight decline in the number of Americans that think global warming is happening,’ said Chris Borick, the survey's co-author and director of the Muhlenberg Institute.”

ns.umich.edu/new/releases/21541-some-americans-are-cooling-off-on-global-warming

Apparently, some Americans accept global warming science on the basis of whether or not they happen to be shivering or sweating when asked about it.

Posted 452 days ago.

mythravere

LOL! Funny I knew you would show up. Its the only thing you chime in on anymore.

Posted 452 days ago.

Thatsabsurd

LOL Globewarmers LOL a dieing breed but a few remain imbeciles and tout it as if they believe it............or do they LOL

Posted 452 days ago.

mythravere

The oceans for example are becoming more acidic due to their increased absorption of the emissions that mankind is putting out.

Seasonal weather patterns are for lack of a better term "denormalizing".

Because I know you will say it. It is true the world was already warming up. We are in what is termed an interglacial period. But a good chunk of that warming can be laid at the feet of mankind.

You can't reintroduce billions of tons of carbon that was sequestered in the ground back into the atmosphere and not experience any effects from it.

Posted 453 days ago.

mythravere

To add to what Kendell just wrote. Collating a series of data points(daily temperature readings etc)over a long period of time allows scientists to see in what ways the worlds climate is trending. And what the way its been trending is suggestive of a warming planet. And natural causes can not account for the vast majority of the rise in temperature. Its not just the temperature that is an indicator of a changing climate either. The chemical makeup of the air and oceans is changing also.

Posted 453 days ago.

Kendall78

"So let me get this straight, if its cooler, that means nothing, but if its hotter, that is evidence of global warming? Do I have it?"

No. If the local temps are a little cooler or higher during a given day...it means nothing. Now if the temps were steadily higher or cooler for a long period of time, meaning in years, then that does matter.

Posted 453 days ago.

mythravere

And near record COLD temps? Ok. So those "cold" nights. I will be able to put a bucket of water outside and expect to see some ice in it in the morning right?

Posted 453 days ago.

mythravere

You know I am perfectly fine with how and why Harry believes what he does. I can live and let live. Its Harry's beliefs. They are his to choose.

Posted 453 days ago.

mythravere

"You aren't a scientist(neither am I but I do have an interest in science)."

From my own post BTW.

I have no socialist leftist agenda.

You are so politicized its not even funny.

Why do you even care to talk about an issue whose details you can't even honestly acknowledge?

I am open to the questions surrounding climate change. My opinion is influenced by the facts.

For you it doesn't matter what the facts are you'll disagree with and deny them till the sun stops shining just because your chosen political agenda DICTATES that is what you are supposed to do.

If you believe in climate change you lose your GOP membership.

How do I know? LOL! Just ask Harry!

HAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAH!

Posted 453 days ago.

mythravere

You aren't an expert(obvious)you have no real interest in the scientific method(even more obvious) so why even waste your time on the issue?

And dont even cry about what I have said. You were the one who got a burr in your bum and decided to be all snarky and whatnot.

Posted 453 days ago.

mythravere

Its sad that you can not separate the science from the politics.

But to take a page out of Fox's playbook. LOL!

You aren't a scientist(neither am I but I do have an interest in science).I can tell you have no real interest in science otherwise you wouldn't make some of the comments you have about the issue. So that being said why even talk about it?

Politics and the game of one-upmanship is why!

The Drama's you loves it! LOL!

Posted 453 days ago.

mythravere

No you are just bringing your political games into the discussion. After all anyone who knows anything climate science knows for a fact that local weather is no indication of anything other than the local weather. It has little to do with long term climate tendencies. Now when you average local weather patterns over long periods of time then you can get an idea of how the climate is behaving.

You mentioning record low temps brings what to this issue? Other than playing political games.

Posted 453 days ago.

mythravere

Methane Hydrate eruptions have happened in the past. Methane Hydrate eruptions may have lead to loss of ships and planes in the Bermuda Triangle. Plus I remember a gas release of some sort(not sure if hydrate was the cause)took down a drilling rig. Oh and part of the continental shelf in the north Atlantic has curious "holes" in it that could have been caused by methane hydrate eruptions.

The article Kunect links to takes issue with climate change making it likely for methane hydrate eruptions. Its not known if it will for sure and historically there is no records in scientific findings that shows high temperatures caused hydrate eruptions in the past.

Posted 453 days ago.

Kunectdots

"Everyone Chill Out: The North Pole Is Not Really a Lake"

h ttp://news.yahoo.c om/everyone-chill-north-pole-not-really-lake-193542663.html

Posted 453 days ago.

Kunectdots

Methane hydrate burp??? Don't worry about it!

h ttp://news.yahoo.c om/arctic-methane-claims-questioned-165849114.html

Posted 453 days ago.

harryanderson

Although Pete Rose struck out sometimes, he still got more hits than any other major leaguer.

Posted 453 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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