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57 minutes ago.
by Stillhere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

Starts below.

The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Republican."

"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you are going. You've risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now it's my fault."

Posted 442 days ago.

mythravere

A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude."

She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be an Democrat."

"I am,"replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct. But I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me."

"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you d

Posted 442 days ago.

mythravere

LOL there is a very thin line between doubt and denial. Just looking at the facts there is little to doubt about climate change.

The arguments you make are not the ones someone who "doubts" it would make.

Sorry bud but you are camped out with the deniers.

Posted 442 days ago.

mythravere

So yea no wonder you can't reason with the people who deny climate change!

For them its an existential battle of biblical proportions etc. Cue dramatic music.

Posted 444 days ago.

mythravere

But then you get into issues of logic. Like for example. This is the greatest country in the world. Ok. Coolbeans. Then the same people that have said that turn around and cry that this nation is falling apart and is on the brink of collapse.

HUH? We clearly can't be the greatest if we are failing....right?

Posted 444 days ago.

mythravere

Another selection from the article.

"Basically, group narcissists (people who agreed with statements like "If America ruled the world it would be a better place" and "America is the best country in the world") were more likely to express negative attitudes about immigrants, as measured by a survey. Interestingly, people with strong in-group identification but low levels of group narcissism did not hold particularly negative attitudes."

I have seen this time and again on here. If not in this pressing need to constantly reaffirm the greatness of this country. Then its seen in the need to express their devotion to god by having it constantly reaffirmed in all aspects of their life with no regard to the beliefs or non-belief of others.

Posted 444 days ago.

mythravere

We got three major issues that to a rightwinger is perceived as a threat to them.

Immigrants!

Homosexuals!

Climate Change!

The supporters of those issues are perceived as being outside the "group" ergo they are a threat to those in the "group".

This why they act with such vehemence toward those issues. Add in the group think that is prevalent in all groups and you get one forceful and unreasonable/uncompromising lot of people.

Posted 444 days ago.

mythravere

Up until a few hours ago I have been at a loss in finding a proper term or manner in which the actions of the right can easily be explained.

I have finally found the term.

Patriotic Narcissism!

From the article this jumped out at me.

"Narcissism is characterized by not only high self-esteem, but the need to constantly feed that self-esteem with the admiration and praise of others."

"Group narcissism leads to feelings of superiority and entitlement, as well as the need for praise for the collective group, not just on a personal level. It's also associated with hostility toward other groups when that superiority seems threatened."

Posted 444 days ago.

harryanderson

And here’s an opinion. James Pethokoukis, a columnist-blogger for the conservative American Enterprise Institute, wrote.

‘There’s nothing “conservative” about making an all-or-nothing bet that climate science is completely wrong. That approach also puts GOPers deeply on the wrong political side of yet another issue, particularly with younger voters. A recent Pew Research poll found 65% of Americans see global warming as a very serious problem or somewhat serious problem. And while 28% of voters over age 65 accept the scientific consensus that carbon emissions are warming the Earth, nearly 50% of those under 50 accept it.’

ww w.aei-ideas****/2013/05/time-for-the-gop-to-take-the-lead-on-climate-change/

Like many other Republicans, I share that opinion.

If I were a Democrat, I would rejoice at seeing Republicans marginalize themselves by refusing to admit the facts.

Posted 444 days ago.

harryanderson

“You don't want to find it as it is an opinion that differs from your religion of Global Warming and Govt control.”

Opinions vary from person to person. Data doesn’t.

Now for some data reported yesterday.

“Worldwide, 2012 was among the 10 warmest years on record according to the 2012 State of the Climate report released online today by the American Meteorological Society (AMS).”

“It provides a detailed update on global climate indicators, notable weather events, and other data collected by environmental monitoring stations and instruments on land, sea, ice, and sky.”

Interested parties need not google the source of these quotes. They may be found at:

ww w.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2013/20130806_stateoftheclimate.html

Unlike opinions, data is measurable.

Posted 444 days ago.

mythravere

I used to deny climate change was caused by man. I was and still am afraid of what it will do to our economy in dealing with the issue. I am skeptical whether or not we can even make a difference at this time.

Failing to plan for the possible negatives coming from climate change will hurt us.

Who is to blame for making it impossible to have an adult conversation on the issue?

Both sides! But more so the right and its corporate handlers because of the doubt they have injected into the discussion. And because they choose to link it with the ideology of socialism. Thats done nothing but stir up the right into a hissy fit that has lead to irrational conclusions being drawn about the issue. On purpose!

Posted 444 days ago.

mythravere

Again sources! I googled your post talking about the petition and couldn't find any reputable references to it.

Who started that petition? Are all the signers of that petition willing participants in the petition drive?

I wouldn't put it past the deniers to fabricate a fake petition to bolster their cases against the issue.

One other thing thats interesting is the issue of being able to admit when one is in error.

Can those who deny climate change is manmade admit they are wrong when as time goes by the proof will stack up against them?

Me thinks their pride will prevent that in totality.

Got something to do with staying the course....

No real debate is possible when one side will not and can not concede when the other party is right on the facts.

Its denied just for the simple reason that it is viewed as a leftwing cause.

That is straight up dishonesty right there.

Posted 444 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit if I told you were about to sit in bird crap you wouldn't believe me would you?

Because why! Yep! SOCIALISM! LOL!

Posted 444 days ago.

mythravere

Coming at the issue from a different angle lets consider this.

The life blood of our world. Carbon based energy sources. A resource that will become less and less plentiful as time goes by and become more expensive.

Moving away from relying on it is bad why? Even though we have proven reserves.

Why not commit to the necessary changes now seeing as how it make take years to make them workable? Its one of those things that its better to bite the bullet and take care of now than wait till the we are on the brink.

No you say? I understand.

Because SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Politics gotta love it.

Posted 444 days ago.

mythravere

Sources? LOL!

Aaah it doesn't matter. Its been debunked already.

What is so hard to understand about massive amounts of sequestered carbon being reintroduced into the atmosphere causing the chemical makeup of the atmosphere to change thereby leading to changes in atmosphere that causes (over a period of time)the climate to shift from its seasonal norms?

As I mentioned its all about who supports what.

Posted 444 days ago.

mythravere

There are two breeds of people on the right. Real conservatives like yourself. Which I have no problem with. The other one is republicans. The republicans dont give a rats butt about the facts. That is to whom I was referring.

A return to problem solving traditions would be greatly welcome. For the most part neither party is level headed at this point in time.

I'm sick of the centintion. I'm sick of everything becoming an issue. But thats what you get when you got billionaires and big business jerking the chains of the politicians.

Climate change to me is a non political issue. Sadly it can't be discussed without politics being brought into the conversation.

Posted 444 days ago.

harryanderson

Mythravere, most conservatives and Republicans are quite level-headed and rational. Check out my last post, where I reported that four Republican EPA Administrators wrote, “The costs of inaction are undeniable. The lines of scientific evidence grow only stronger and more numerous.”

And earlier I reported that a Republican Congressional aide wrote, “Someone in the GOP needs to say it: conservation is conservative; climate change is real; and conservatives need to lead on solutions because we have better answers than the other side.”

Yes, some seem guided mostly by fear and anger, but I believe that the majority of Republicans are returning to their problem-solving roots.

Don't judge the many by the few.

Posted 445 days ago.

mythravere

Ima betting that if say by some strange happening all the liberal folk of this world just disappeared. You guys would go looking for someone to fill the void left behind by the liberals.

The more I consider it the more I feel that you guys are addicted to the drama.

Posted 445 days ago.

mythravere

Aaah politics as usual. Thats the angle isn't it! Why dont you take your politically induced blinders off and just look at the facts.

If a liberal told you were about to sit down in bird chit you'd rather sit down in it obviously ignoring the warning the liberal gave just because a liberal told you.

And lol! If someone else came up and said yes you are about to sit in the bird poop you'd sneer at them and accuse them of having a socialistic agenda too.

Then splat! Drawers all dirty. But by god! You resisted the temptation of them dang dern socialists didn't you!

Yeehaw! REE PUBLICAN credentials innntact!!!!!!

Posted 445 days ago.

Kunectdots

(cont)

CLIMATE SCIENTIST: A person skilled in spouting obscure, scientific-sounding jargon that has the effect of deflecting requests for “DATA” by “DENIERS.” Also skilled at affecting an aura of “Smartest Person in the Room” to buffalo gullible legislators and journalists.

JUNK SCIENCE: The use of invalid scientific evidence resulting in findings of causation which simply cannot be justified or understood from the standpoint of the current state of credible scientific or medical knowledge.

Posted 445 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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