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by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

"It’s believed that plate tectonics on Venus stopped billions of years ago. And without plate tectonics burying carbon deep inside the planet, it was able to build up in the atmosphere. The carbon dioxide built up to the point that any oceans on Venus boiled away. And then the Sun’s solar wind carried the hydrogen atoms away from Venus, making it impossible to ever make liquid water again. The concentration of carbon dioxide just kept increasing until it was all in the atmosphere."

A excerpt from that article.

Posted 309 days ago.

mythravere

Our climate is a lot like a soda. Change the components that it consists of and you change the flavor right?

Well if we change the composition of the gases that comprise our atmosphere then that might change things right?

If any of thats wrong please point out why.

Even though I know the party this is directed will not.

Posted 309 days ago.

mythravere

Before we started using all that fuel where was the carbon contained within?

The ground right? LOL!

So since we use and we have been doing so for quite sometime in massive massive quantities..we've put a lot carbon up into the atmosphere. Right?

Say tell me again why is Venus so hot.

Knowing that and following the logic...if we increase the level of co2 (the same stuff that traps heat on Venus) in the atmosphere we might just well cause the temperature of this planet to increase right?

Because I know how dramatic people like Tiredofit can be let me say that I am not saying that the we are going to make this planet like vensus.

Posted 309 days ago.

mythravere

Aaah screw it I'll answer that. 90 some percent of Venus's atmosphere is comprised of Co2.

Now lets follow a train of logical thought.

What happens when we burn fossil fuels or anything carbon based? In addition to to other emissions Co2/CO is released right? I think we can agree on that.

What are fossil fuels? Pretty much carbon. Since we know that if we burn it that in turn will release that stored carbon in the air we can say that we're reintroducing carbon back into the atmosphere.

Looks right to me.

Posted 309 days ago.

mythravere

Tell us Tiredofit what makes the atmosphere of Venus so hot?

Posted 309 days ago.

mythravere

"As the climate models prove time and again to be false"

Show us where they are false.

Posted 309 days ago.

mythravere

Oh my oh my indoctrinate.

Speaking of indoctrination. Down in Texas they got charter schools interjecting religious teachings of the Christian variety into the science curriculum...sowing doubt and calling things into question that shouldn't be questioned because there is proof backing the science up.

Yep no indoctrination there at all...lol!

Posted 309 days ago.

harryanderson

Climate change disbelief is, indeed, rising.

And that illustrates the current effectiveness of the propaganda campaign waged by the counter climate change movement.

However, that propaganda campaign will lose its effectiveness. The following two key groups refuse to be hoodwinked by the counter climate change movement:

1. The scientists who have published on climate change. Among those scientists most published in peer-reviewed journals and most cited, 97% agree with the tenets of the International Panel on Climate Change.

2. The young. Just a small minority of voters between 18 and 34 don’t believe climate change is happening.

Without these two groups, the counter climate change movement’s propaganda campaign will fade.

Posted 309 days ago.

luvthesouth

mythravere, regarding dr. spencer and your questioning of his potential bias on this subject, it may be of benefit to take a few moments to read his article about satellite and climate models. his research results are scientific and non-political in nature. i think you will admit that quite a bit of the current blame in any temperature difference we experience is greatly weighted toward the human caused blame by many liberal minded folks with various degrees of interest for themselves. as i have stated before, it is hard for politicians, scientists, activists and business interests to leach money out of the earth for her various cycles of climate change that we do not like...or appreciate.

Posted 310 days ago.

mythravere

The thing is my mind can be changed.

Evidence? I previously denied it.

All I need is to see the facts.

Posted 310 days ago.

mythravere

"Media coverage surrounding the release of the IPCC report in September may be the explanation for the shift of more previously uncertain people into disbelieving climate change, Leiserowitz told LiveScience. While the report made a strong case for human-caused climate change, most media coverage focused on the question of whether there has been a "pause" in global warming.

In fact, some research does show a slowdown in how fast temperatures are rising, if not a pause. Scientists theorize the slowdown could be the result of decades-long climate cycles playing out against a background of long-term warming. But a study published online in November 2013 in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society suggests that even that slowdown may be an illusion, caused by gaps in temperature data.

Nevertheless, the media framing of the story may have contributed to more doubt among those who were not firm in their convictions, Leiserowitz said."

From that same a

Posted 310 days ago.

mythravere

Its a shame we can't basically extract co2 to reduce global co2 levels but also essentially use the co2 as a feedstock for new energy production.

We can in a sense but not on a quick timescale. I am talking about direct processing into a fuel by a simple means.

But maybe someday a new technology will be developed that will do that.

Posted 311 days ago.

harryanderson

Mythravere, some are already working on removing atmospheric carbon, despite the obstacles set up by the counter climate change movement.

“Klaus Lackner, a Columbia University geophysicist, is working on synthetic trees that absorb carbon dioxide about a thousand times faster than natural trees. Keith's Calgary-based start-up, Carbon Engineering, funded partly by Bill Gates, is developing industrial-scale technologies to capture carbon from the atmosphere and use it to produce low-carbon transportation fuels.”

ww w.usatoday.co m/story/news/nation/2013/12/30/climate-change-technologies/4041931/

And another company, Newlight Technologies, is already turning methane emissions from dairy farms into plastic that will soon appear in chairs.

So we’re working to solve this engineering problem.

Posted 311 days ago.

mythravere

Also for the record Dr Spencer is involved in several conservative think tanks.

Now I don't know but maybe he can have an unbiased opinion. But is he capable of forming opinions that would be counter to what is acceptable in conservative circles?

To put it as has been done in the past by some conservative figures.

I dont know that he can.

Posted 311 days ago.

mythravere

"The lack of maturity is when one chooses to compare someone who doesn't believe as they do to a holocaust denier"

Say? How many times have people who don't believe as you do been labeled a socialist et al? Hmm Tiredofit?

Posted 311 days ago.

mythravere

Oh yea I don't know if anyone has heard about this but its worth a look.

Guess whats being talked about now?

CDR. Carbon Dioxide Removal!

So not only will use of fossil fuels have to drop by 70 some percent in the next century but they are talking about*****co2 out of the air now.

Atmospheric processor anyone ala the second Aliens movie?

I always joked that if the powers that be could charge us for the air we breath they would....looks like that could happen.

Posted 312 days ago.

mythravere

" If mankind isn't causing climate change through our use of fossil fuels, then there is nothing we can do about it."

If thats the case then we need to stop arguing and figure out how we are going to adapt.

One bad season in the worlds bread belts could be a global killer.

Posted 312 days ago.

mythravere

Goodness you are one of those types that would claim a person pulled a knife on you when all they did was cross their eyes at you!

Posted 312 days ago.

Kendall78

@Harry, "I’ve never compared you to a holocaust denier"

I've never compared Tired to one either, just compared his tactics as a denier to another type of well known denier. It would be nice to see him actually answer the question but he'll probably make up some reason not to answer you too.

Posted 312 days ago.

mythravere

Oh yea I did that once. Couples of times?

Hey tiredofit as part of a therapeutic maybe you should stretch on some silly putty instead of the truth?

Posted 312 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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