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4 hours ago.
by Stillhere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Kendall78

"So let me get this straight, if its cooler, that means nothing, but if its hotter, that is evidence of global warming? Do I have it?"

No. If the local temps are a little cooler or higher during a given day...it means nothing. Now if the temps were steadily higher or cooler for a long period of time, meaning in years, then that does matter.

Posted 452 days ago.

mythravere

And near record COLD temps? Ok. So those "cold" nights. I will be able to put a bucket of water outside and expect to see some ice in it in the morning right?

Posted 452 days ago.

mythravere

You know I am perfectly fine with how and why Harry believes what he does. I can live and let live. Its Harry's beliefs. They are his to choose.

Posted 452 days ago.

mythravere

"You aren't a scientist(neither am I but I do have an interest in science)."

From my own post BTW.

I have no socialist leftist agenda.

You are so politicized its not even funny.

Why do you even care to talk about an issue whose details you can't even honestly acknowledge?

I am open to the questions surrounding climate change. My opinion is influenced by the facts.

For you it doesn't matter what the facts are you'll disagree with and deny them till the sun stops shining just because your chosen political agenda DICTATES that is what you are supposed to do.

If you believe in climate change you lose your GOP membership.

How do I know? LOL! Just ask Harry!

HAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAH!

Posted 452 days ago.

mythravere

You aren't an expert(obvious)you have no real interest in the scientific method(even more obvious) so why even waste your time on the issue?

And dont even cry about what I have said. You were the one who got a burr in your bum and decided to be all snarky and whatnot.

Posted 452 days ago.

mythravere

Its sad that you can not separate the science from the politics.

But to take a page out of Fox's playbook. LOL!

You aren't a scientist(neither am I but I do have an interest in science).I can tell you have no real interest in science otherwise you wouldn't make some of the comments you have about the issue. So that being said why even talk about it?

Politics and the game of one-upmanship is why!

The Drama's you loves it! LOL!

Posted 452 days ago.

mythravere

No you are just bringing your political games into the discussion. After all anyone who knows anything climate science knows for a fact that local weather is no indication of anything other than the local weather. It has little to do with long term climate tendencies. Now when you average local weather patterns over long periods of time then you can get an idea of how the climate is behaving.

You mentioning record low temps brings what to this issue? Other than playing political games.

Posted 452 days ago.

mythravere

Methane Hydrate eruptions have happened in the past. Methane Hydrate eruptions may have lead to loss of ships and planes in the Bermuda Triangle. Plus I remember a gas release of some sort(not sure if hydrate was the cause)took down a drilling rig. Oh and part of the continental shelf in the north Atlantic has curious "holes" in it that could have been caused by methane hydrate eruptions.

The article Kunect links to takes issue with climate change making it likely for methane hydrate eruptions. Its not known if it will for sure and historically there is no records in scientific findings that shows high temperatures caused hydrate eruptions in the past.

Posted 452 days ago.

Kunectdots

"Everyone Chill Out: The North Pole Is Not Really a Lake"

h ttp://news.yahoo.c om/everyone-chill-north-pole-not-really-lake-193542663.html

Posted 452 days ago.

Kunectdots

Methane hydrate burp??? Don't worry about it!

h ttp://news.yahoo.c om/arctic-methane-claims-questioned-165849114.html

Posted 452 days ago.

harryanderson

Although Pete Rose struck out sometimes, he still got more hits than any other major leaguer.

Posted 452 days ago.

Kendall78

You can't judge climate change by how cold or hot any given day or week is around your local area. You have to look at the big picture. Climate change is a global phenomenon that finds its cause also at a global level.

Posted 452 days ago.

mythravere

Guess we all know where the cold went then since the north pole had a melt water lake/pond around it this past week!

Bet you didn't hear about that did you? And if you did. Why....no mention of it?:)

Posted 452 days ago.

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Posted 459 days ago.

harryanderson

Show me something worth buying.

Posted 460 days ago.

I'm curious Harry, I've got the title to this bridge I'm thinking of selling...I'm curious, would you be interested???

Posted 460 days ago.

harryanderson

And, AaronS, you wrote, “The decision to allow such a comment was not made lightly, included many individuals in many different roles and included the cost of paying for carbon emissions via a carbon tax versus paying for those same emissions in the form of an EPA fine or penalty.”

By what authority do you claim to know so much about the decision-making processes of Exxon-Mobile and Shell? Are you an executive of either corporation?

One could just as easily say that Exxon Mobil and Shell made their statements because their own scientists are convinced that greenhouse gas emissions are harmful.

Of course, I’m not privy to their decision-making, so I can’t say for sure. Can you?

Posted 460 days ago.

harryanderson

“…according to the sources you cited, certain high level executives have publicly stated a belief in climate change.

This belief doesn’t come only from “certain high level executives.” The corporations state them. Note that the statement from Shell comes from their official website, and no individual is mentioned as the source.

And read again the quote in Reuters. It says, “Exxon Mobil (not Tillerson)…has acknowledged that human-made emissions have contributed to altering the planet’s climate.”

Furthermore, Exxon-Mobile’s web site contains this statement: “Rising greenhouse gas emissions pose significant risks to society and ecosystems.”

ww w.exxonmobil.c om/Corporate/safety_climate.aspx

Exxon’s statement, like Shell’s, cites neither Tillerson nor any other high level executive. It’s from the company.

Posted 460 days ago.

No Harry, according to the sources you cited, certain high level executives have publicly stated a belief in climate change. Whether they do or not is of little relevance as one person, even the President and/or CEO has the authority to make such bold, public statements on behalf of the corporation. The decision to allow such a comment was not made lightly, included many individuals in many different roles and included the cost of paying for carbon emissions via a carbon tax versus paying for those same emissions in the form of an EPA fine or penalty.

Regardless of what one individual believes about climate change and exactly what or who is responsible took a back seat to the bottom line in all three corporations.

Posted 460 days ago.

harryanderson

AaronS wrote, “This is not about whether Shell, Exxon, or Appalachian Power suddenly believes in climate change.”

According to the sources I cited previously, Shell and Exxon certainly do believe that CO2 emissions cause climate change. In order to refresh everybody’s memory, I’ll repost excerpts from the two quotes I posted before.

From Shell’s website: “At the same time CO2 emissions must be reduced to avoid serious climate change.”

And as to Exxon, as reported by Reuters: “Exxon Mobil, once one of the staunchest critics of climate change research, has acknowledged under Tillerson's leadership that human-made emissions have contributed to altering the planet's climate.”

They know that you don’t dig your corner office for long when you dig a quicksand foundation under it.

Posted 463 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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