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harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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I've never said climate change doesn't exist. Clearly the climate is changing and has been since the dawn of time. I don't even deny that man is contributing to it. The mere act of any mammal passing myth affects the climate. I don’t even deny that burning fossil fuels has an effect.

What I don’t believe though is the way to combat it is by passing a tax to consumers or wasting the tax dollars of hard working Americans on unproven technologies that do not have the capability to supplement our energy needs. When the left starts pushing for the only true viable replacement to fossil fuels, nuclear, then I’ll think you’re serious. Until then, like everything else, you’re playing politics.

As for being termed an a55hole, I have no problem with that. Anyone that knows me knows where I stand and what I’m thinking. For me, I’d rather be a true a55hole then a whining b!+ch afraid of my own core convictions.

Posted 503 days ago.

mythravere

Oh yea when I used to deny climate change Tiredofit. I used every argument that you used.

The one consideration I kept looking over was energy. Our energy sources can be seen as noose slowly tightening around necks. It will run out. It will get expensive..big time.

Do we really want to wait until we go over that cliff? How can our economy grow again when there is a built in break that is energy prices waiting to be engaged when the prices get to harmfully high levels.

Taking care of our energy problem will help with our climate problem. If it can be helped. I think adaptation is going to be the real key to a future with climate change.

Posted 503 days ago.

mythravere

Its real easy to sit back and make claims of the ol pot calling the kettle black.

But seriously. You guys saying climate change isn't real. Its not man made. Its just not something that can be denied if you look at the science and only the science.

You cant do that. How you see things is filtered through a lens of pure unabashed political distortion.

But you'll have that when your thoughts are dictated by group think.

Pot calling kettle....pot calling kettle..where are you? LOL!!!!!!

Posted 503 days ago.

mythravere

Nope cant name one because I dont really care about them at this time.

What you guys dont know is that my opinions on a range of issues have changed over time. After 9-11. Watched Fox News all the time. I used to deny climate change myself. I used to identify with Republicans mostly.

One thing that I have never been able to stand though is an a55hole. So I guess you know why I aint a card carrying member! LOL!

Posted 503 days ago.

"Harry you must realize and come to terms with the fact that those with whom you converse with on here are incapable of dealing with a nuanced opinion. They only see things in black or white,on or off."

Pot, meet kettle.

Posted 503 days ago.

RANDOM21

Got to be careful Harry, this is WV. When you said you had a niece sister and girlfriend it could be construed as one woman. (Couldn't help myself). And if you happen to be a woman also, there's nothing wrong with that, either.

Posted 504 days ago.

harryanderson

Maybe the world needs people who don’t pay a lot of attention to nuance. Maybe such people act more forcefully and decisively in emergencies.

Maybe the world also needs people who pay a lot of attention to nuance. Maybe such people help keep the other kind from acting impulsively.

Maybe we all have our strengths.

Just maybe.

Posted 504 days ago.

mythravere

Harry you must realize and come to terms with the fact that those with whom you converse with on here are incapable of dealing with a nuanced opinion.

They only see things in black or white,on or off.

You either march to the same beat as them or you aren't one of them.

By their own actions it can be shown that they are incapable of any sort of flexibility in the way in which they view the various issues that we face.

The group is what defines how they see issues. The won't and can't go outside the purview of the group in which they reside.

When dealing with such an uncompromising and staunch group of people coming to an understanding on things is as likely to happen as joining a wall in a lively conversation.

They will shoot down everything you say and make you the devil in the process!

Posted 504 days ago.

harryanderson

"I tossed out the N word which is not one I use. You would assign certain character flaws to me for using the language of racists."

No I wouldn't assign any character flaws to you. I'd conclude that you have done an unwise thing, and you probably agree with that assessment. We all do unwise things from time to time.

There's a big difference between attributing fundamental characteristics to people and describing their behavior.

Posted 504 days ago.

harryanderson

"the socialist redistribution drum."

To be clear. I have proposed no such program. Go back and re-read my comments about problem-solving.

Personally, I lament that some have loudly predicted dire consequences unless we take drastic action, and that others have loudly predicted dire consequences if we take any action.

Posted 504 days ago.

harryanderson

"Don't be obtuse, you know that the phrase anti science campaign is a pejorative. The left likes to frame folk like me as nNeanderthals that are flat earthers if we don't march to the socialist redistribution drum."

Again, I don't intend to frame anybody. I characterized an argument, not a person. Go back and read my comments about Cuccinelli, who is a visible actor in the campaign to which I referred.

Nowhere did I call you a neanderthal or flat-earthed.

Besides, I am not am representative of any left. I represent myself.

Posted 504 days ago.

harryanderson

"If you would consider your Sunday sermon an anti science campaign, I would cede that."

Sure. Why not? The Bible contradicts many things that scientists believe.

Posted 504 days ago.

harryanderson

Please believe that I didn’t mean to offend you, Tiredofit. I try to avoid offenses because they preclude rational dialogue. I consider it constructive to compete on the field of ideas but, like competition on the athletic field, competition on the idea field is more constructive when the contestants avoid harming one another.

Since you have clearly stated that you consider the term “denier” offensive, I’m all the more convinced that I should avoid it. I can easily express my thoughts with other words.

Lol. I guess I’m being “politically correct” here. Oh, well.

Earlier, you seemed to take umbrage at the phrase “anti-science campaign.” Do you also consider that a pejorative?

Posted 504 days ago.

harryanderson

Of course I’m a denier. I deny lots of things. For instance, I deny that anyone has intrinsic authority to dictate what language I use or to manipulate me into knowingly putting others down.

I consider the terms “denier” and “denial” pretty neutral. However, they seem to offend some folks here. So in the spirit of love, peace, kindness, goodness, and gentleness, I’m going my yield right to write as I choose.

I will no longer use the terms denier and denial here.

Posted 506 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit has a point: some of the proposed solutions to anthropogenic global warming involve possibly harmful wealth-distribution schemes.

Let’s do all things decently and in order.

Defining a problem and proposing solutions to it are two separate steps in the problem-solving process. One must first define the problem by identifying its scope and potential harm before proposing solutions.

Both rash radicals who propose drastic solutions too early and science deniers have distorted the problem-solving process.

We do have a problem. However, I’m not satisfied that it requires immediate drastic, possibly harmful action.

We should neither institute immediate worldwide wealth distribution like some radicals want to do nor hinder the definition process like some deniers do.

We should take small steps and encourage the scientists to continue studying.

We should shun both leftist redistribution and rightist denial.

Posted 506 days ago.

The anti science campaign is a clone of the war on women. All baloney, and no bread.

People who don;t go along with the unproven myth of man made climate change, are no more anti science than Ben Franklin was.

Posted 506 days ago.

mythravere

And of course someone will say the left does the same. Maybe. But not to the degree with which the right is mucking up progress.

Since 2008 goal number one has been to resist anything Obama and the left brings to the table. Doesn't matter what it is. Even if its something the right had thought of before they will flip on it if the left agrees to it and wants to move forward on it.

Contrarians to the core!

Posted 506 days ago.

mythravere

My main point isn't so much about whats not being done on the climate change front but more about the dishonest positions the right takes on the issue.

The right is so inflexible with their positions that it is actually doing more harm than good.

They'd rather just sit and squat on an issue blaring out NO! than actually having any kind of debate on the issue to reach any kind of understanding.

It seems they are so power hungry that they'd rather see nothing happen than any progress take place that could be credited to the people across the aisle.

Its disgusting and I'm rather tired of seeing our government just sit around doing nothing while the country suffers.

JUST BECAUSE OF POLITICS!

Posted 506 days ago.

mythravere

Sorry but I disagree with a large amount of the policies the left puts forth in regards to dealing with the issue of climate change.

I dont believe in carbon taxes.

I am sceptical of whether or not we can stop climate change. I lean more to adapting to it than trying to stop.

I also do not agree with just stopping current power generation methods like coal as some on the left have put forth. Namely because I feel that due to the current economic slump this country is in taking actions that will drive up energy costs is foolish and I actually care about the people who work in coal mines etc. For a lot of those folks working in the mine and being supported by people that do is the only means of income for them.

I also understand and respect that many see coal mining as their heritage and take pride in having generations of family members in the mines.

Posted 506 days ago.

harryanderson

I hate groupthink.

Posted 506 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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