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3 days ago.
by Stillhere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

LOL! You think you won this debate. Ha! Thats funny!

I guess the question now is how much of the science is the result of "funding" being got that way.

Probably a drop in the bucket compared to what energy companies have spent in trying to thwart this message.

Posted 306 days ago.

harryanderson

Hopefully, we can find some areas of agreement if you would like to reduce the scientific uncertainty. Unfortunately, I expect you to continue evading the question, even though I answered your question unequivocally.

We’ll see. For now, I have to get to work earning a living. I don’t get paid to opine about this.

Posted 306 days ago.

harryanderson

“Harry is it ok to exaggerate(falsify) data to get attention, political action and funding?”

No. I wouldn’t do it. Like I’ve said over and over, I’m not interested your political games. It’s a scientific discussion. It’s an engineering problem with an engineering solution.

Would you like to remove all doubt about the issue so we could cooperate?

Posted 306 days ago.

harryanderson

Would you like to reduce the scientific uncertainty?

Posted 306 days ago.

harryanderson

Would you like to reduce the scientific uncertainty, Tiredofit?

Posted 306 days ago.

harryanderson

It's sad that some--those for who feel they would pay too high a social, ideological, political, or economic price if they accepted the scientific consensus--would cut off funding to reduce the scientific uncertainty.

They're afraid to reduce the uncertainty. They couldn't live with being wrong. Uncertainty is their friend. It's an old strategy. Back in the 60s, a tobacco company executive seeking to deny the link between smoking and cancer circulated a memo reading:

"Doubt is our product."

Posted 306 days ago.

harryanderson

Read again what you wrote.

You said they sought funding "to reduced the scientific uncertainty."

In other words, fill in the knowledge gaps you're always bringing up. Who can complain about that? Who doesn't want to reduce the scientific uncertainty?

I'll tell you who--those whose political, ideological, and cultural biases control them.

Posted 306 days ago.

harryanderson

But she didn't link funding to results like you did. Do you have any examples where funding was linked to results? That's the claim you made.

You wrote, "results=funding."

Posted 306 days ago.

mythravere

But I know you won't. Just drop your insult and move along then.

Posted 306 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit you are such a fool. We can see all around us that the world is warming which begs that we make changes to how we consume energy because it is the use of that energy that is getting us into this issue.

But the energy problem is a double edged sword. Not only is the massive amounts of carbon we are emitting causing climate issue but that energy source is finite.

Renewables will take time to get them to the point where they can take over the load. Not to mention we need to consume less energy through better efficiency.

That reason right there is reason enough to start weaning ourselves off of carbon based energy.

But renewables...not as big as a profit making potential oh sorry not much funding potential with renewables.

I'd like to see your cowardly behind tackle the reasoning behind that.

Posted 306 days ago.

mythravere

Ok now that we have established Tiredofit that scientists exaggerate(I am just going along with you one that one) it is now time for you to show us where and how much of the funding that scientists get is correlated to "exaggeration".

Typing to dang fast.

Posted 306 days ago.

mythravere

Check mate? LOL! Hardly!

This is the place where I show your foolishness.

Ok not that we have established Tiredofit that scientists exaggerate(I am just going along with you one that one) it is not time for you to show us where and how much of the funding that scientists get is correlated to "exaggeration".

Posted 306 days ago.

harryanderson

Good catch, Kendall.

Even the climate scientist hyped by Tiredofit for political reasons believes, when she puts on her scientist cap, that atmospheric carbon contributes to global warming,

Another true believer, eh?

Tiredofit is hoisted by his own petard again.

That’s the bottom line, not politics.

Posted 307 days ago.

harryanderson

Once again, Tiredofit, you show yourself, and distort what I wrote.

By saying “talking outside of her field,” I clearly meant unlearned in politics. You however, deceptively choose to ignore the qualification and focus on the catchall word unlearned.

Posted 307 days ago.

Kendall78

"My research experience and interests include the science and societal impact of air pollution. In particular, I focus on black carbon (BC) pollution, which is a by-product of incomplete combustion, both natural and anthropogenic. BC contributes to climate warming and is linked to a range of health problems, including premature mortality." (Monika Kopacz)

So Tired, you agree with her that black carbon contributes to global warming?

Posted 307 days ago.

harryanderson

We're talking past each other. I refer to the science, and you refer to the politics.

I refuse to be swayed by political hype.

I repeat: an overwhelming majority of the climate scientists most published in peer reviewed journals agree with the tenets of the IPCC.

That's the bottom line, not your politics.

Posted 307 days ago.

harryanderson

So here’s the genuinely important part:

Among those scientists most published in peer-reviewed journals and most cited, a large majority agree with the tenets of the International Panel on Climate Change.

These scientists are expressing their opinions within their fields of learning.

Posted 307 days ago.

harryanderson

“Harry, did you even read the quote?”

Sure I did, but I don’t consider “MONIKA KOPACZ Applied Mathematics and Atmospheric Sciences Harvard University Cambridge, Mass” an expert on politics, anymore than I consider Al Gore an expert on science.

You’ve only provided an opinion by someone talking outside her field of learning. Anyone can have an unlearned opinion. Unlearned opinions aren’t acceptable evidence.

Posted 307 days ago.

harryanderson

“Results=funding”

Tiredofit, You have made that claim again and again, and we have asked you to provide substantiation for your claim again and again. You have provided none.

Why do you keep repeating this claim for which you apparently haven’t a shred of evidence?

Posted 307 days ago.

mythravere

Of course that is already happening for other reasons. The right is just one big cluster phuck of stupid right now.

Whats funny is that the Tea Party is the force that is ripping it all apart.

Posted 307 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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