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51 minutes ago.
by Stillhere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Ohwiseone

And besides the tiredbrain trolls idea of "truth" is different from normal people !Mostly skeptical truth !

Posted 47 days ago.

Stillhere

Yep, to sum it up, YOU believe, I am skeptical, little use to continue.

Posted 48 days ago.

harryanderson

"He is a very prominent skeptic and surely one would have to entertain his thoughts before making up ones mind that the sciences is settled."

First, I never said the "science is settled." I'm convinced it isn't.

Second, I have entertained Dr. Ball's thoughts, thanks to you, and I've found them unconvincing for the reasons previously listed.

Posted 49 days ago.

harryanderson

“Its a place to argue, and to post dueling links that are dismissed out of hand.”

I don’t see it as a place to discount others’ ideas. I don’t dismiss your links “out of hand.” I look. (When you post links, that is; it’s often hard to tell which words are yours and which words you’ve copied and pasted.)

I check. That’s how I discovered Dr. Ball acknowledges not being knowledgeable enough in physics to challenge greenhouse gas theory. You pointed me in that direction.

As far as. Ball being “very prominent,” he isn’t prominent in current scientific circles. In his curriculum vitae on his website, he states that his last “significant publication” was 30 years ago, in 1984.

ht tp://drtimball.co m/_files/dr-tim-ball-CV.pdf

Here again, I wouldn’t have known this had you not pointed me to it.

So while Dr. Ball is prominent at the Heartland Institute, on Glenn Beck, and Coast to Coast AM radio, he’s not significant in scientific circles.

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

I never consider seeking truth a “game.”

So how is it you seek truth in a forum chat room? Its a place to argue, and to post dueling links that are dismissed out of hand. If one bases his belief in an exhaustive search for truth, why don't you know about Dr Ball? He is a very prominent skeptic and surely one would have to entertain his thoughts before making up ones mind that the science is settled. Perhaps not

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

Harry, was never my intent to SWAY you, only setting the record straight.

Posted 49 days ago.

harryanderson

Stillhere, I thank you for your newfound courtesy, which makes debate more pleasant.

I never consider seeking truth a “game.”

I concede that Dr. Ball is a climatologist. I also take back my statement that he’s a “geography teacher.” While that’s literally true, it’s misleading, and I should have researched it more before I posted. Very careless of me. He was a professor of climatology in the Dept. of Geography.

So yes, Dr. Ball is one climatologist who denies global warming is a greenhouse gas. His specialty seems to be in the historical record rather than the physics.

Still, I’m not swayed by his disavowal of CO2 as a greenhouse gas for two reasons.

1. Among a great many climatologists, even skeptical ones, he’s apparently alone in his disavowal.

2. He admits to an “inadequate understanding of physics to openly challenge” the theory that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

So have a good w/e.

Posted 49 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Really tiredbrain ?? lolol

Stillhere

So if you wish to attack the mans credentials, go ahead as he is not here to defend himself. However, I would hazard to guess he is far more qualified to speak on the topic than anyone here.

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

Hope its a fox free weekend, waiting for my birds to go to roost then its over to the house for some LOVELY turkey my wife is cooking,

Posted 49 days ago.

moderation

Tired- it can be determined what species of plant life existed at specific points in time. And a good weekend it will be.

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

So with that, I AM DONE. Again, have a GREAT WEEKEND, sorry its so cold

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

Before you go to a warming site and post it.

Further, it is claimed that Dr. Ball falsely declares himself to be the first or one of the first Ph.D.s in Climatology in Canada or in the world. These claims certainly abound [2], though noticeably not on his bio for his current job at the NRSP [1]. He certainly does have a Ph.D. in climatology, dated 26 October 1983 [6]. Examples given of previous Canadian Climatology Ph.D.s include •Kenneth Hare, a well-respected Professor at McGill, who received his Ph.D. in 1950, also in the UK. •Climatologist Andre Robert (Ph.D. from McGill, 1965), who pioneered computer climate modeling. •Timothy Oke, a leader in the study of urban climate, received his Ph.D. from McMaster in 1967.

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

Just one more defense of DR Ball since he has been maligned as a geography teacher,

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Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

The following comes from an October 20, 2006, byline profile by the Frontier Centre for Tim Ball[5]: "Tim Ball has an extensive science background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition with additional experience in water resources and areas of sustainable development, pollution prevention, environmental regulations, the impact of government policy on business and economics. He is a regular contributing writer for Country Guide Magazine and a researcher/author of numerous papers on climate, long range weather patterns, impacts of climate change on sustainable agriculture, ecosystems, historical climatology, air quality, untapped energy resources, silting and flooding problems. He had a long academic career at the University of Winnipeg until he moved to Victoria in 1996. He has a BA from the University of Winnipeg, an MA from the University of Manitoba and a PH.D (Doctor of Science)

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

However, a rousing discussion of chicken predation would be something I would welcome.

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

You of course free to state your opinion at will as am I, so that's where we will leave it, YOU believe, I am skeptical. \\Have a great weekend//

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

I don't intend to play this game with you any longer Harry, in the spirit of détente I am not going to engage in a subject that is far more heat than light.

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

So if you wish to attack the mans credentials, go ahead as he is not here to defend himself. However, I would hazard to guess he is far more qualified to speak on the topic than anyone here.

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

So he DID say CO2 is not a greenhouse gas and he IS a Climtologist( retired) Other than that you got me.

Again thanks for sharing your opinion

Posted 49 days ago.

Stillhere

"Dr. Ball is a renowned environmental consultant and former [retired] professor of climatology at the University of Winnipeg. Dr. Ball has served on many local and national committees and as Chair of Provincial boards on water management, environmental issues and sustainable development. Dr. Ball has given over 600 public talks over the last decade on science and the environment. He is the co-author of the book Eighteenth Century Naturalists of Hudson Bay (2004 - McGill/Queens University Press) with Dr. Stuart Houston, one of the World's leading authorities on arctic birds," his NRSP biographical note states."[1]

Posted 49 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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