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125 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

“You don't want to find it as it is an opinion that differs from your religion of Global Warming and Govt control.”

Opinions vary from person to person. Data doesn’t.

Now for some data reported yesterday.

“Worldwide, 2012 was among the 10 warmest years on record according to the 2012 State of the Climate report released online today by the American Meteorological Society (AMS).”

“It provides a detailed update on global climate indicators, notable weather events, and other data collected by environmental monitoring stations and instruments on land, sea, ice, and sky.”

Interested parties need not google the source of these quotes. They may be found at:

ww w.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2013/20130806_stateoftheclimate.html

Unlike opinions, data is measurable.

Posted 1086 days ago.

mythravere

I used to deny climate change was caused by man. I was and still am afraid of what it will do to our economy in dealing with the issue. I am skeptical whether or not we can even make a difference at this time.

Failing to plan for the possible negatives coming from climate change will hurt us.

Who is to blame for making it impossible to have an adult conversation on the issue?

Both sides! But more so the right and its corporate handlers because of the doubt they have injected into the discussion. And because they choose to link it with the ideology of socialism. Thats done nothing but stir up the right into a hissy fit that has lead to irrational conclusions being drawn about the issue. On purpose!

Posted 1086 days ago.

mythravere

Again sources! I googled your post talking about the petition and couldn't find any reputable references to it.

Who started that petition? Are all the signers of that petition willing participants in the petition drive?

I wouldn't put it past the deniers to fabricate a fake petition to bolster their cases against the issue.

One other thing thats interesting is the issue of being able to admit when one is in error.

Can those who deny climate change is manmade admit they are wrong when as time goes by the proof will stack up against them?

Me thinks their pride will prevent that in totality.

Got something to do with staying the course....

No real debate is possible when one side will not and can not concede when the other party is right on the facts.

Its denied just for the simple reason that it is viewed as a leftwing cause.

That is straight up dishonesty right there.

Posted 1086 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit if I told you were about to sit in bird crap you wouldn't believe me would you?

Because why! Yep! SOCIALISM! LOL!

Posted 1086 days ago.

mythravere

Coming at the issue from a different angle lets consider this.

The life blood of our world. Carbon based energy sources. A resource that will become less and less plentiful as time goes by and become more expensive.

Moving away from relying on it is bad why? Even though we have proven reserves.

Why not commit to the necessary changes now seeing as how it make take years to make them workable? Its one of those things that its better to bite the bullet and take care of now than wait till the we are on the brink.

No you say? I understand.

Because SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Politics gotta love it.

Posted 1086 days ago.

mythravere

Sources? LOL!

Aaah it doesn't matter. Its been debunked already.

What is so hard to understand about massive amounts of sequestered carbon being reintroduced into the atmosphere causing the chemical makeup of the atmosphere to change thereby leading to changes in atmosphere that causes (over a period of time)the climate to shift from its seasonal norms?

As I mentioned its all about who supports what.

Posted 1086 days ago.

mythravere

There are two breeds of people on the right. Real conservatives like yourself. Which I have no problem with. The other one is republicans. The republicans dont give a rats butt about the facts. That is to whom I was referring.

A return to problem solving traditions would be greatly welcome. For the most part neither party is level headed at this point in time.

I'm sick of the centintion. I'm sick of everything becoming an issue. But thats what you get when you got billionaires and big business jerking the chains of the politicians.

Climate change to me is a non political issue. Sadly it can't be discussed without politics being brought into the conversation.

Posted 1086 days ago.

harryanderson

Mythravere, most conservatives and Republicans are quite level-headed and rational. Check out my last post, where I reported that four Republican EPA Administrators wrote, “The costs of inaction are undeniable. The lines of scientific evidence grow only stronger and more numerous.”

And earlier I reported that a Republican Congressional aide wrote, “Someone in the GOP needs to say it: conservation is conservative; climate change is real; and conservatives need to lead on solutions because we have better answers than the other side.”

Yes, some seem guided mostly by fear and anger, but I believe that the majority of Republicans are returning to their problem-solving roots.

Don't judge the many by the few.

Posted 1087 days ago.

mythravere

Ima betting that if say by some strange happening all the liberal folk of this world just disappeared. You guys would go looking for someone to fill the void left behind by the liberals.

The more I consider it the more I feel that you guys are addicted to the drama.

Posted 1087 days ago.

mythravere

Aaah politics as usual. Thats the angle isn't it! Why dont you take your politically induced blinders off and just look at the facts.

If a liberal told you were about to sit down in bird chit you'd rather sit down in it obviously ignoring the warning the liberal gave just because a liberal told you.

And lol! If someone else came up and said yes you are about to sit in the bird poop you'd sneer at them and accuse them of having a socialistic agenda too.

Then splat! Drawers all dirty. But by god! You resisted the temptation of them dang dern socialists didn't you!

Yeehaw! REE PUBLICAN credentials innntact!!!!!!

Posted 1087 days ago.

Kunectdots

(cont)

CLIMATE SCIENTIST: A person skilled in spouting obscure, scientific-sounding jargon that has the effect of deflecting requests for “DATA” by “DENIERS.” Also skilled at affecting an aura of “Smartest Person in the Room” to buffalo gullible legislators and journalists.

JUNK SCIENCE: The use of invalid scientific evidence resulting in findings of causation which simply cannot be justified or understood from the standpoint of the current state of credible scientific or medical knowledge.

Posted 1087 days ago.

Kunectdots

Oh, possibly nothing if you think the cycles of solar storms and their documented effects upon our overall global climatic history has little to do with Al Gore's socialistic wet dreams.

Climate Change Dictionary

PEER REVIEW: The act of banding together a group of like-minded academics with a funding conflict of interest, for the purpose of squeezing out any research voices that threaten the multi-million dollar government grant gravy train.

SETTLED SCIENCE: Betrayal of the scientific method for politics or money or both.

DENIER: Anyone who suspects the truth.

CLIMATE CHANGE: What has been happening for billions of years, but should now be flogged to produce ‘panic for profit.’

NOBEL PEACE PRIZE: Leftist Nutcase Prize, unrelated to “Peace” in any meaningful way.

DATA, EVIDENCE: Unnecessary details. If anyone asks for this, see “DENIER,” above. (continued)

Posted 1087 days ago.

mythravere

And this is noteworthy why?

Posted 1087 days ago.

Kunectdots

"Sun's magnetic field "is about to flip", warns NASA"

The whole of the sun's magnetic field is about to "flip", according to NASA - with warning signs being spotted by observatories around the world this year.

h ttp://uk.n ews.yahoo.c om/sun-s-magnetic-field--is-about-to-flip---warns-nasa-131005894.html#Fy1bOCc

Posted 1087 days ago.

Kunectdots

"Sun Opens Explosive Plasma 'Arms' in Solar Eruption" (Video)

h ttp://news.yahoo.c om/sun-opens-explosive-plasma-arms-solar-eruption-video-174240084.html

"Stop Anthropogenic Explosive Plasma Arms, now !!!!.................think of the childrennnnnnnnnnn" (Well said)

Posted 1091 days ago.

harryanderson

KO CO2, say GOP EPA chiefs.

In a NYT op-ed, four former EPA administrators under Republican Presidents Nixon, Reagan, G.H.W. Bush, and G.W. Bush write,

“There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected.”

“The costs of inaction are undeniable. The lines of scientific evidence grow only stronger and more numerous. And the window of time remaining to act is growing smaller: delay could mean that warming becomes ‘locked in.’”

w ww.nytimes.c om/2013/08/02/opinion/a-republican-case-for-climate-action.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&

Many Republicans agree “there is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts.”

Posted 1091 days ago.

mythravere

"can GOVT control the climate, errrrr no they cannot." Actually they might and I stress might be able to. It was after the Air Force I believe who published a study on "owning" the weather as a means fighting a war.

What must be considered is that if they did the sure as heck would not want you to know about it. Take the uproar over all the data mining and surveillance going on. If it came out that they had the capability of making target changes in the weather. The uproar would.....lets just say it'd be magnitudes of order larger than whats happening right now with the big brother angle.

Posted 1093 days ago.

Kendall78

@Thats- even if every person in the world that reads the facts and arrives to the conclusion that climate change is happening would die today...that would not change the fact that climate change is happening. People believing or not believing in something doesn't change facts.

Posted 1094 days ago.

harryanderson

Shivering and sweating shape perceptions.

The U.M.-Muhlenberg study, referenced at the beginning of this thread, has conducted a new survey. On June 19, they reported:

“The percentage of Americans surveyed who think there is solid evidence of global warming remained at a majority, or 63 percent, in the spring. That's down from 67 percent surveyed last fall, which was the highest since 2008.”

"’The fairly cold winter and slow arriving spring weather this year appears to have contributed to a slight decline in the number of Americans that think global warming is happening,’ said Chris Borick, the survey's co-author and director of the Muhlenberg Institute.”

ns.umich.edu/new/releases/21541-some-americans-are-cooling-off-on-global-warming

Apparently, some Americans accept global warming science on the basis of whether or not they happen to be shivering or sweating when asked about it.

Posted 1094 days ago.

mythravere

LOL! Funny I knew you would show up. Its the only thing you chime in on anymore.

Posted 1094 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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