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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

"What do you do to support WV and the republican party,harry?"

That's not germane to this thread. If you'd like to start a thread on this subject, perhaps we could discuss it.

Posted 318 days ago.

Harry, the WV republican. Lol What do you do to support WV and the republican party,harry? I mean besides preaching to us poor dumb real West Virginians?

Posted 318 days ago.

harryanderson

Good point, Random21. Thanks for responding to my argument instead of to me.

How should we interpret this? If 76% of us believe warming will be a serious problem and 63% think the Feds should act, but only 6% of us feel motivated to act even by voting, we may make several possible inferences:

1. It may suggest that over half of us would rather let bureaucrats in Washington solve our problems instead of solving them ourselves.

2. It may suggest a tendency toward fatalism. We feel we are powerless, and that our votes don’t count.

3. Your suggestion, that propaganda has scared many of us into believing that warming is a problem, has some merit. However, a counter propaganda campaign has scared many of us into fearing action. Whether or not these two campaigns cancel each other out, I can’t say.

Posted 318 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit,

I don’t post to bait you. However, I do realize that perceptions are important. I can see how your frustration could make you feel that way.

If you imagine you’re being baited, you should either refrain from responding or confine your response to the substance of what I wrote instead of intimating that I have no right to identify as a West Virginian.

I’m a freedom-loving American. That means you don’t get to tell me what cultural or ethnic group I should identify with.

Posted 318 days ago.

RANDOM21

The same poll found only 6% we worried enough to effect the way they vote. like many other polls, people and give the answer they think is wanted. Ain't no way 29% of the citizens of WV are knowledgeable other than what they have been scared into believing, not by researching it themselves.

Posted 319 days ago.

harryanderson

The anti-science propaganda campaign is failing to convince West Virginians that carbon emissions aren’t harmful, according to a study by Stanford University Professor Jon Krosnick.

The study found about West Viriginians: 1. 73% of us believe past warming has been caused by humans. 2. 76% of us believe warming will be a serious problems for the US. 3. 63% of us believe the Feds should do more to address warming.

*******democrats.energycommerce.house.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Stanford-Climate-Polling-West-Virginia-2013.pdf

Posted 319 days ago.

Thatsabsurd

"Real Science" wasn't that a science fiction movie about a made up person..........you know like calling Climate Scintetstestes "Real scientists"

Posted 359 days ago.

mythravere

Thought you were done with posting on these threads? LOL!

Posted 389 days ago.

mythravere

a·po·lit·i·cal (p-lt-kl) adj. 1. Having no interest in or association with politics. 2. Having no political relevance or importance

Posted 389 days ago.

mythravere

Cal Thomas=conservative columnist=me disregarding anything he has to say.

Find a source that is apolitical in its operations and then I will give it a look.

Posted 389 days ago.

Read Cal Thomas today. The global warming cult is being exposed as a money making farce every day.

Posted 390 days ago.

harryanderson

I certainly hope that’s true. I’d rather not be forced to radically change our way of life.

I looked at the Fox News article by McKelway. Unfortunately, it contained no link to the actual study, which, according to him, “was done under the auspices of the Heartland Institute.” McKelway doesn’t even state where the study was published.

The fact that the highly-political Heartland Institute apparently paid for the study makes me a little skeptical.

Nevertheless, one can hope that the direst predictions won’t happen. Unfortunately, some in the popular press have exaggerated the direst predictions, and this is just as harmful as those in the popular press who have claimed that climate science is a hoax.

Posted 397 days ago.

mythravere

Everyone does it to some degree. People like animals run in herds. And like animals few stray outside their chosen herd.

Posted 411 days ago.

harryanderson

I have been guilty of mistrusting others because of a group to which they belong.

Posted 411 days ago.

mythravere

A perfect example of that is in how Tiredofit dealt with Harry. Harry conveyed that he was a member of Tiredofits group. Since Harry has beliefs that Tiredofit takes issue with Tiredofit tired to finger Harry as a fraud etc.

Fear of going against the will of the group is what keeps people like Tiredofit in lockstep with the positions of the group he calls home.

It is not about what is right and wrong nor what the facts say.

Posted 411 days ago.

harryanderson

Prominent commenters on both sides of this debate have an anti-science bias.

Climate change skeptics say acceptors are irrational and acceptors say skeptics are irrational.

Dan Kahan of Yale Law School wrote in Nature:

“If anything, social science suggests that citizens are culturally polarized because they are, in fact, too rational — at filtering out information that would drive a wedge between themselves and their peers.”

“Positions on climate change have come to signify the kind of person one is. People whose beliefs are at odds with those of the people with whom they share their basic cultural commitments risk being labelled as weird and obnoxious in the eyes of those on whom they depend for social and financial support.”

ww w.nature.co m/news/why-we-are-poles-apart-on-climate-change-1.11166

In other words, peoples’ groups influence their opinions more than empirical evidence.

Posted 411 days ago.

Thatsabsurd

ust wondering what the latest imbecile idiocy the Globewarmers are spouting now.

LOL What a group if idiots.

Posted 412 days ago.

Thatsabsurd

ust wondering what the latest imbecile idiocy the Globewarmers are spouting now.

LOL What a group if idiots.

Posted 412 days ago.

mythravere

Fear happens to be one of the main influences on conservatives of Tiredofits stripe.

They fear so much. Fear isn't a bad thing though its just something that has to be kept in check.

Take a conspiracy theorist for example. The fear of what they think is in the works is so paralyzing that they can not and will not acknowledge a fact that counters an idea they hold.

Fear is the mindkiller.

Posted 417 days ago.

harryanderson

I knew of a boy whose family moved several states away. His new neighborhood had several bullies in it. The boy’s Dad warned him that he would have to fight, and advised the boy to take on the biggest bully first. When the biggest bully shoved him, the boy fought back and received a black eye for his efforts.

But the boy gained courage, which, according to Theodore Roosevelt, only comes from facing danger.

In the months afterwards, the lesser bullies in the neighborhood tried to pick on the smaller boy a few times, but they always weaseled out when he stood his ground.

Here’s the irony: Most of the bullies who weaseled probably could have whipped the boy, but they lacked courage, which put them at a disadvantage.

Courage keeps the mind productive, but fear paralyzes it.

As the Bible says, “We have not been given a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.”

Posted 417 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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