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26 minutes ago.
by Ohwiseone
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Kendall78

"Yet you chose the holocaust randomly"

Nothing random about it. Holocaust denial is a very well known example of bad debating practice. The methods used there are very comparable to how climate change deniers use. You are just playing offended drama queen card because you are focused on the wrong thing.

What is peer review? You wouldn't called the published works of actual climate change scientsist that are looked over by other climate scientists as being reviewed by peers? I provide the link, take the time to read it if you are capable.

Posted 291 days ago.

Kendall78

I don't dismiss the cherry picked emails with little or no context. They simply do not counter the evidence available.

Again, when you can provide hundreds of climate scientists that say man isn't involved in claimate change...then you will be doing good.

Can you do this? YES or NO.

Posted 291 days ago.

Kendall78

"That's the second time I have been compared to Nazis who put people in ovens"

Careful drama queen, I never compared you to the Nazi. I simply compared your habits as a denier to those that deny the holocaust.

Like you, they tend to deny everything they do not like, provide little to no evidence and commit appeal to authority quite often.

Posted 291 days ago.

Kendall78

Back on what it means to have a concensus. In a recent poll done by Naomi Oreskes shows that 97% of Climate Scientists believe that the current trend of climate change is influenced by mankind.

They came up with this study from 928 published papers on climate change. The news story: w w w.theguardian.c om/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/may/16/climate-change-scienceofclimatechange

The study: h tt p://iopscience.iop.o rg/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

Tired, when you can provide 928 peer reviewed papers done by climate scientists that say that climate change is not at all influenced by man, then you might have something.

Posted 291 days ago.

Kendall78

Climate scientist Michael Mann called the hacking of those emails were done by, " Agents doing the dirty bidding of the fossil fuel industry know they can't contest the fundamental science of human-caused climate change. So they have instead turned to smear, innuendo, criminal hacking of websites, and leaking out-of-context snippets of personal emails in their effort to try to confuse the public about the science and thereby forestall any action to combat this critical threat."

Posted 291 days ago.

Kendall78

And out of all that blabber...NO EVIDENCE.

Tired, you are committing numerous appeal to authority. Just saying some scientist says something isn't evidence.

You need to have a consensus between scientists that specialize in climate change.

It's kind of tragic the way you behave. It reminds me of the Nizkor website that deals with Holocaust deniers. It's a vastly different topic of course but the methods that those deniers use is very similiar to what man made climate deniers use.

Posted 291 days ago.

Kendall78

"Climate is being made today."

Climate, like wetaher, is made everyday...just at varying speeds.

Posted 291 days ago.

Climate is being made today.lol

Posted 291 days ago.

Kendall78

I also see that the deniers are getting weather mixed up with climate again.

Make a deal with us, when the temperature is below average...go ahead and deny global warming. But when the temps are above average, you have to come on here and say global warming is happening. Because based on the method you determine claimate change with daily weather patterns, that is the only way you can be honest.

Posted 291 days ago.

Kendall78

"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s."

What evidence? Claiming there is evidence is not the same as providing it.

Posted 291 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit,

I’m very interested in your contention that climate scientists’ skew their findings in order to get grant money. I would like to investigate that further. Where should I look?

How many instances can you cite in which a scientist distorted his study in order to receive a grant?

And how did those studies pass peer review from other scientists who didn't receive the grants?

Posted 291 days ago.

mythravere

The only conclusion that can be drawn from the manner in which they lay their arguments out is that they are playing a us vs them political game.

Posted 291 days ago.

mythravere

I and the others who side with the scientists on this issue have laid out why we believe the scientists are correct.

We have put forth points for consideration as a means of giving those who do not believe the scientists a place to show why they are correct.

So far all we have seen is a tendency to attack those who actually do the work in regards to the science and to attack those who believe it with insults and accusations of hidden agendas etc.

No conclusive evidence has been put forth at all to support their positions.

Posted 291 days ago.

mythravere

Looking at the psychology of why an individual would consistently stand behind a position when they can not offer evidence of the correctness of that position is another point of debate on this issue.

Posted 291 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit and the folks like him have in front of them a table full of evidence that shows that man is the cause of the climate warming up.

But they take one thing like grant money and use that to essentially wipe all the evidence off the table. Without providing a shred of proof themselves that all of the information pertaining to mankind's role in climate change can be disregarded solely because the whole reason for the scientists saying that man is the cause is strictly because they are seeking grant money.

Where is the proof of that.

Whats also interesting is that even if one isolated case of that is found they will in turn dismiss the whole body of evidence because of that one case.

That right there is utter dishonesty.

Posted 291 days ago.

mythravere

Oh I forgot to mention something.

What evidence has been put forth by the skeptics that has been proven to be right?

Posted 291 days ago.

mythravere

You see its not about the facts but about resisting any and all positions their political opponents take.

Posted 291 days ago.

mythravere

But to be honest I think there has been a shift from large energy companies (mainly oil producers in my opinion) who take that position. They are more accepting of the facts surrounding climate change.

But what's happened is that the doubt they have sown has taken hold in certain political circles that have an extreme tendency of once a position is taken on a subject they maintain that position regardless of the facts.

That'd be the group you call home tiredofit.

Posted 291 days ago.

mythravere

Well you know there is this thing called physical evidence that the scientists have the points to them being right.

The skeptics on the other hand have well monied backers who have a vested interest in the world's energy portfolio staying reliant on the energy they provide.

Posted 291 days ago.

harryanderson

It’s very cold in the Eastern and Central US, but that’s not representative of anthropogenic climate change.

Elsewhere…

“Temperatures in parts of Australia are set to reach almost 50C in the coming days, with total fire bans in place in northern regions of South Australia and a week-long heatwave enveloping Queensland.”

w ww.theguardian.co m/weather/2014/jan/02/heatwave-temperatures-climb-towards-50c

50C=122F

But that’s not representative of climate trends, either. In order to make a statement about climate trends, you must have a…

…trend.

Posted 292 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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