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91 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

Here we go again! LOL!

Lets see you put out your "reasoning" on the issue of climate change. Absolutely nothing you say sticks..it gets thwarted with REASON and....jeepers creepers.

Hey Harry you're a fraud!

What a laughable deflection.

Posted 908 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit writes,

“The two are inseparable as it IS a political agenada, not a scientific discussion.”

Tiredofit’s statement accurately describes the Counter Climate Change Movement’s campaign to belittle science. They seek to deflect the discussion from scientific research by stoking political fears.

They don’t want us to view the issue like the chairman of Exxon-Mobile views it—as “an engineering problem with an engineering solution.” They want us to view the issue as a struggle between opposing ideological camps.

And this explains many of the responses we see here. Posters disparage the science and engineering. They won’t even look at the scientific evidence. Instead, they want us to adopt their own paranoid fears.

Tiredofit admits that he sees it as a political problem. That’s why he discredits the science.

It’s not a political problem. It’s an engineering problem with an engineering solution.

Posted 909 days ago.

Kendall78

Copy/Pasting titles is not evidence.

By Common Sense

Posted 910 days ago.

Kendall78

"There is no proof that man has any such influence over climate."

Why do you think that? Why do you think that the dominant species on the planet that dumps tons of chemicals in the air, able to effect the ecosystem of the entire ocean and create the power of a star by splitting the atom has no effect upon the climate?

Posted 910 days ago.

mythravere

Our planet has a carbon cycle. Only thing is we are putting more into the system than what the system can take out.

That has consequences.

The experiment on the Bill Nye video simply shows what all the carbon can do once it is in the atmosphere.

I would really like to hear why that experiment is wrong in what it shows.

Am I to believe that if I performed that experiment something totally different would happen? Am I to believe that no difference in the temperature between the two jars would be observed?

If that is true either explain or point me in the direction of the information that informed you of the "real" nature of that experiment.

Posted 910 days ago.

Kendall78

"Did you notice it was a very low year for tornadoes this year?"

And how is that evidence that climate change isn't occurring? Climate is more than weather patterns in the middle of the US.

"And what had your imbecile scientists predicted?"

I have no scientists...imbicile or otherwise.

Posted 910 days ago.

mythravere

You know if one goes back and digs into the history of this area and the areas like it that produce coal.

Take a long hard look in particular at the railroads the built their empires by hauling coal.

For a very long time there have been mile long trains pulling coal out of just our mountains.

There are pictures of the coal docks in Roanoke Virginia with storage yards filled to the gills with full coal hoppers.

The carbon content of coal runs from 60+ to 91.5% in the case of Anthracite.

Once used all that carbon goes into the atmosphere where it for the most part stays.

That is a sh!t ton of carbon...just from coal!

It doesn't take an intelligent person to figure out dropping an egg with crack it.

Pulling all of that carbon out the ground and putting it into the atmosphere has consequences.

Posted 910 days ago.

mythravere

Just as I expected! Won't even answer a simple question.

Posted 910 days ago.

h ttp://nypost.c om/2013/12/26/professor-admits-faking-aids-vaccine-to-get-19m-in-grants/

"Professor admits faking AIDS vaccine to get $19M in grants"

Whether it is medical research, or climate research, just follow the money. What a corrupt bunch of snakes come out of our supposedly schools of learning these days. I wouldn't believe a climate scientist unless I knew enough about him to know he is honest.I know plenty of crooked ones have been exposed.

Did you notice it was a very low year for tornadoes this year? And what had your imbecile scientists predicted?

Posted 910 days ago.

Kendall78

It's only political if you allow it to be so. Ignore the politics and focus on the science the best you can.

Posted 910 days ago.

Kendall78

"the recent ice age"

I find it interesting that you mention this since one of the possible causes of the Little Ice Age (who knows or really cares if you were talking about it) was due to a volcano throwing up material into the atmosphere.

Another possibly cause is the altered change in the ocean flow due to the Medieval Warm Trend.

So while these causes were natural, mankind can assist in creating these causes again. Climate is complex but to ignore that we are in fact a contributor to it is foolish and dangerous.

Posted 910 days ago.

Kendall78

Tired, Ithink- out of the past 2 pages I have seen NO evidence of any kind to back up your position. You have done nothing but deny without and try to make this a political argument instead of a scientific one.

Posted 910 days ago.

harryanderson

Seems to me you’re the fearful one. You’re afraid to look at any evidence that might contradict your preconceived opinions, such as the Bill Nye stuff cited by myth.

Thanks, anyway. You provide opportunities for me to present the evidence.

Posted 910 days ago.

harryanderson

“Two groups of people are selling this bs, people like al gore who have figured out how to get RICH off this and useful idiots.”

Well, according to the National Academy of Scientists, “97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.”

ww w.pnas.or g/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract

So, Tiredofit, to which of your “two groups of people” do all these climate scientists belong?

Posted 910 days ago.

harryanderson

“You have NO PROOF WHATSOEVER of any of these things.”

Myth just offered up proof. He pointed to Bill Nye’s experiment. You refused to look at it, Tiredofit.

Posted 910 days ago.

mythravere

Oh and as far as those predictions go try and comprehend this.

Our climate and its weather is a very dynamic system.

Not all predictions will be accurate.

That right there though is absolutely no reason to discount what is happening with our climate.

But one prediction that will come true is that you and the others will wail like madmen at me for saying that.

Posted 910 days ago.

mythravere

Lets rewind a bit though. Lets go back to that little test in Bill Nyes video.

Lets see how honest you are...or how much of coward you are.

If I was to acquire all of the components used in that simple experiment would I find the jar with the higher level of co2 to have a temperature that is lower or the same as the one that has a normal mix of air?

Why is that experiment false in its findings?

I bet you won't answer that straight and to the point.

Posted 910 days ago.

mythravere

Failed models you say? Prove it!

The email "thing" was debunked and shown to be nothing at all.

Besides those emails have no bearing on the world wide loss of glaciers do they?

Or the increased metaling of the ice caps.

Or abnormal weather patterns.

You know stuff that is actually happening.

Posted 910 days ago.

mythravere

The sites or whatever they are you mentioned. I've never been to any of them.

I don't get my info from places like that.

In other words..you fail again.

Posted 910 days ago.

mythravere

Where did I cite Al Gore as a source for my information? Where did I show you that I look to him for guidance?

Posted 910 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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