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123 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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I don't know anyone who thinks one day represents climate. But it is part of climate. An unusually cold spell means the average will likely go down. Even our mathematically challenged Warmer can figure that out.

Posted 933 days ago.

harryanderson

Ithink,

You ask why we distinguish between weather and climate, and write, “This cold weather will be averaged in and called climate.”

Thanks for asking. I’m happy to clear this up for you.

Climate scientists generally consider a 30-year weather pattern a climate trend. That’s about 11,000 days averaged in. So the weather on a particular day represents a minuscule 1/11,000 of the average, and is therefore hardly representative of the climate.

Look at it this way. I decide to turn my cornfield into a hayfield. When I sow it, a few oats get mixed in with the rye, fescue, and clover. One seed out of 11,000 is oats. Later, a guy wants to buy some oats for his horses. I want to sell him my hay. If I tell him I have a field of oats, I would be misrepresenting my hayfield.

In the same way, if we say that one day’s weather represents climate, we’re misrepresenting the climate.

Posted 933 days ago.

What difference does it make where the cold winds come from? There will always be unexpected changes in the weather.

That is what the wackos don't accept. We can't control or predict what will happen in the future. That is what makes their climate predictions worthless.

Posted 933 days ago.

What is this obsession with the word climate? Climate is made up of weather. Climate means weather. This cold weather will be averaged in and called climate.

The wackos are running out of new terms to use when the old ones are proved wrong.

Wrong doesn't mean " poor" though. Al Gore's predictions for 5 years in the future were proved wrong, but he is still rolling in money. You remember Al, the democrat politician's son, who always left their black housekeeper in the hot car when they dined in restaurants. Yep those same type of democrats who call conservatives "racist". Like Red Fred.

Posted 933 days ago.

mythravere

Seriously though. Arguing what you do. Its just a petty political game that you play.

Posted 933 days ago.

mythravere

Oh and as for the evidence. Its there you just will not acknowledge it.

Par for the course for dishonest phucks like yourself.

Posted 933 days ago.

mythravere

Those cold temps that are inbound are a result of weather.

Posted 933 days ago.

harryanderson

The WEATHER in the MOV may be at record lows today, but the earth’s CLIMATE is experiencing a long warming trend.

“The global average surface temperature rose 0.6 to 0.9 degrees Celsius (1.1 to 1.6° F) between 1906 and 2005, and the rate of temperature increase has nearly doubled in the last 50 years.”

htt p://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page2.php

Posted 934 days ago.

harryanderson

If we accept climate science, but reject political agendas tied to it and decide it’s an engineering problem, we can thrive.

Look at it this way: If we can find a practical way to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, we can burn fossil fuels. In doing so, we would rob the leftists of their only weapon—fear

Some are doing just that. Two guys have discovered how to turn atmospheric carbon into plastic without putting more carbon into the air than they remove. Their present technology can do very little to solve our problem. But it’s a start.

They already operate “… two factories that take methane captured from dairy farms and use it to make…plastic...”

“’I wish I had been smart enough to figure this out,’ says William Dowd, former global director of industrial biotech research and development at Dow Chemical.”

ww w.usatoday.co m/story/news/nation/2013/12/30/plastic-from-carbon-emissions/4192945/

Now that’s the kind of thinking we need.

Posted 934 days ago.

harryanderson

We shouldn’t expect Tiredofit to consider the work of climate scientists. He has already informed us that he doesn’t consider climate science a part of the discussion. He wrote, “it’s a political agenda, not a scientific discussion.”

However, Tiredofit is right when he points to a “political agenda.” Some leftists would use the work of climate scientists to shape the world. And he’s right—we should be wary of these people. Nevertheless, I feel these leftists don’t seriously threaten us because I don’t think they have power relative to we who resist their political agenda.

I must correct what I wrote before, “It’s not a political problem. It’s an engineering problem with an engineering solution.” After further reflection, I realize I was wrong. It’s both a political agenda and a scientific discussion.

Posted 934 days ago.

Kendall78

"THATS WHY WE HIDE THE DECLINE"

Who is "we"?

Posted 935 days ago.

Kendall78

As far as websites or new articles on the topic, credible information again should include scientists specializing in Climatology.

Polling and petitions should always be scrutinized in these arguments.

Posted 935 days ago.

Kendall78

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I do not believe that the funding in question has made any measurable amount of climate change scientists skew their information or evidence.

I am open to any credible scientific source for information. Such sources on the topic we are discussing should include the research and findings of actual climatologists and not those that have doctorates in other fields. I mean, who cares what a Doctor in British Literature thinks about climate change..right?

Posted 935 days ago.

Kendall78

That article you cited didn't say anything about if global warming is or is not happening. Just that the ice melt of that peticular area was not due to anthropogenic global warming but climate variability.

Posted 935 days ago.

And by the way, the rescue ship is now stuck, too. The people were safely put on another boat, thank goodness.

Posted 935 days ago.

h ttp://w ww.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/03/antarctic_ice_shelf_melt_lowest_ever_recorded_just_not_much_affected_by_global_warming/

"Antarctic ice shelf melt 'lowest EVER recorded, global warming is NOT eroding it'."

Myth keeps thinking he needs to educate us about the Polar Regions. He and a few others here are the ones who need to read up.

Posted 935 days ago.

Kendall78

I have no faith in the IPCC. I merely observe the information from them and other sources and arrive to my own conclusion on the matter.

You might consider that the problem isn't that there are people that look at the evidence and conclude that climate change and global warming is happening.

But that the opposition has failed to explain why global warming and climate change are not influenced by man.

Posted 935 days ago.

Kendall78

Most of humanity isn't covered in snow. The world is bigger than select sections of the US.

Posted 935 days ago.

Kendall78

Some people cannot see the forest for the trees. Then there are those that can't see the forest because they got their face up against a single tree.

Posted 935 days ago.

harryanderson

Weather events aren’t climate.

According to NASA, “In most places, weather can change from minute-to-minute, hour-to-hour, day-to-day, and season-to-season. Climate, however, is the average of weather over time and space.”

ww w.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

And, according to Politifact, “Data from NASA shows 13 of the hottest years on record have come in the last 15, and by a different data set produced by NOAA, 14 of the hottest years on record have come in the last 15.”

ww w.politifact.co m/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/feb/15/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-12-hottest-years-record-have-com/

That’s time and, since NOAA and NASA study worldwide trends, space, which makes it a CLIMATE trend. What happens in Parkersburg at a particular time is WEATHER.

Posted 936 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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