Sign In | Create an Account | Welcome, . My Account | Logout | Subscribe | Submit News | Facebook | Twitter | All Access E-Edition | Home RSS
 
 
 
Latest Post:
Started By:
Rank:
Category
32 minutes ago.
by Ohwiseone
harryanderson
#1

Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

Member Comments

harryanderson

And, Tiredofit,

I’d like to hear any answer you have to the very relevant question Kendall poses.

If mankind’s activities are changing the climate, and greenhouse gases aren’t changing the climate, what activities of mankind do you believe are changing the climate?

Huh?

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

They “fully support the tenets of the (IPCC).”

The National Academy of Sciences study characterizes those tenets thusly:

“…the primary conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): anthropogenic greenhouse gases have been responsible for ‘most’ of the ‘unequivocal’ warming of the Earth’s average global temperature over the second half of the 20th century.”

Now, even though I didn’t intend to make that claim (nor do I now so claim), and later retracted it, I had already provided evidence lending weight to it.

Tiredofit ignored that evidence, and instead focused on other evidence I provided to support another claim: that 97% of climate scientists agree man’s activities are altering the climate.”

Then, while I was away earning a living, he claimed victory, even though he has never addressed the claim he says he’s debunked.

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

I’ll repost my first post of the morning.

A 2010 study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that “97%-98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field fully support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.”

htt p://ww w.pnas.or g/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.full.pdf+html

Posted 282 days ago.

Kendall78

"How is that as you say an endorsement of your greenhouse theory?"

What other human activity has been discussed that could have a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?

Posted 282 days ago.

mythravere

"I will debunk your other claims soon enough."

I said that too myself in the voice of the Terminator....aaaah comedy gold.

Get to the choppa!

Posted 282 days ago.

mythravere

Take apart the claims of a warmer?

LOL!

Ok. Seriously. A lot of other "warmer" "claims" have been made....yet where have you taken them apart?

You've invested so much energy in this one little point. Why not show the same gusto as the others.

I guess this is the one where you felt you had a chance of getting somewhere right?

Posted 282 days ago.

mythravere

"And that folks is how you take apart the claims of a warmer."

hahahahahahaah LOL!

No what you did there is find a singular point of contention and then camp out on it and claim victory.

There are so many points to be talked about on this issue. Far better ones than this low hanging fruit you've latched on.

Oh my god this is hilarious.

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

“Is there a basis for the claim that 97% of scientists agree that greenhouse gas is warming the planet. If there is, show me a study or poll that supports this exact figure.”

I already did, in the first post I made this morning. You ignored it.

Now I need to get back to work. Later.

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

97% isn’t excluded, as you suggest by claiming “no basis.” I've provided evidence that it's a very high percentage (essentially everybody), and that it even includes "the scourge of...alarmists."

Do you agree with the Weekly Standard that essentially everybody agrees that CO2 and greenhouse gases are warming the earth?

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

I don’t know what you mean by “current theory.” Since you concede that 97% of the climate scientists surveyed agreed man has a “significant role in climate change,” what activities of mankind do you think cause that change?

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

That’s a reasonable comment, luvthesouth. I’ve always said that it’s a solvable engineering problem.

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

“…there is nothing to support 97% of scientists agree that greenhouse gas is changing our climate.”

I don’t want to make a claim of a specific percentage of climate scientists who agree that greenhouse gas is warming the earth, since, to my knowledge, no studies have backed that up.

However, the quote from the Weekly Standard is consistent with a high percentage.

Again, it said, “Essentially everybody agrees.”

Posted 282 days ago.

luvthesouth

some interesting numbers concerning CO2. currently it is estimated that the worlds forests absorb 40-50% of the worlds total man-made extra CO2 produced by burning carbon based fuels. although what we produce is a small percentage compared to what the earth naturally produces, the extra CO2 that we produce can't be totally absorbed naturally. if the numbers are correct then it is evident that we either need to increase the number of trees, reduce our carbon output or choose a variant of both. personally i choose the latter if not for any reason other than i like trees.

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

On CO2,

As Kendall pointed out earlier...

...even Richard Lindzen, whom the arch-conservative Weekly Standard gleefully dubbed the “all-around scourge of James Hansen, Bill McKibben, Al Gore, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and sundry other climate ‘alarmists,’” is convinced anthropogenic CO2 warms the earth.

The Weekly Standard reports:

“The burning of oil, gas, and especially coal pumps carbon dioxide and other gases into the atmosphere, where they allow the sun’s heat to penetrate to the Earth’s surface but impede its escape, thus causing the lower atmosphere and the Earth’s surface to warm. Essentially everybody, Lindzen included, agrees.”

htt p://ww w.weeklystandard.co m/articles/what-catastrophe_773268.html?page=1

Essentially everybody agrees.

Essentially everybody agrees.

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

You’re right. It seems I need to read my own statements more carefully before attempting to answer!

I need to amend my later statement so that it’s consistent with the earlier, and write, “I’ve cited 2 studies to support my contention that 97% of climate scientists agree man’s activities are altering the climate.”

Greenhouse gases are another issue. Do you now wish to go into whether CO2 and some other gases, when added to ambient air, trap heat? We can do that if you like.

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

And it wasn’t I who brought up CO2 and greenhouse gases 2 days ago when you first took issue with my “97%” comment.

I’ll repeat my comment for your convience.

Ithink wrote, “I’ll leave that to the loons.”

I replied, “I’ll leave it to the 97% of all climate scientists who agree that mankind’s activities are causing climate change.”

In the future, I believe you would benefit if you read more carefully before attempting to answer.

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

I also suspect you didn't read the Doran study before posting. Otherwise you should have known the study contained “up to nine questions.”

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit, Sometimes I suspect you reply before reading my posts. Otherwise, you would have known that…

1. I didn’t cite a “cook study.”

2. I pointed out that you didn’t cite any study of climate researchers.

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

I’ve cited 2 studies to support my contention that 97% of climate scientists agree greenhouse gases are altering the climate.

Tiredofit ignored the first.

He attacked the second on the irrelevant grounds that climate scientists are a relatively small subset of all scientists.

Here’s another study:

A 2010 study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that “97%-98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field fully support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.”

htt p://ww w.pnas****/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.full.pdf+html

Posted 282 days ago.

mythravere

Sorry I must elaborate on Tireofit a little.

There have been loads of serious and honest questions sent his way.

He refuses the majority of them and for some reason likes to focus on the details that really don't matter on this issue.

When asked to explain the falseness of a simple high school science experiment he refused. Citing Bill Nye's fame as a reason for not being worthy of consideration.

LOL!

Posted 283 days ago.
 
 
 
 

Post a Comment

You must first login before you can comment.

*Your email address:
*Password:
Remember my email address.
or