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35 minutes ago.
by Ohwiseone
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

Yea it destroys the consensus. LOL!

OK lets look at this.

Out of 7062 AMS members invited to participate 1854 members completed at least some form portion of the survey beyond the consent form.

Posted 271 days ago.

h ttp://w ww.forbes.c om/sites/jamestaylor/2013/11/20/the-latest-meteorologist-survey-destroys-the-global-warming-climate-consensus/

"Barely half of American Meteorological Society meteorologists believe global warming is occurring "

Posted 272 days ago.

h ttp://w ww.forbes.c om/sites/jamestaylor/2014/01/24/michael-manns-global-warming-argument-fuels-denier-skepticism/

" a recent survey of American Meteorological Society (AMS) atmospheric scientists found only 38 percent of AMS scientists believe future warming will be very harmful, and an even smaller 30 percent are very worried about global warming. This is a far cry from Mann’s unsupported assertion that “97 percent agree … we must respond to the dangers of a warming planet.”

Posted 272 days ago.

harryanderson

So, Tiredofit,

Are you interested in reducing the scientific uncertainty, or do you choose to continue making doubt your product?

Posted 272 days ago.

harryanderson

Of the 200 “strongest and most credentialed (climate) researchers, a whopping 97.5% “fully agree…anthropogenic greenhouse gases have been responsible for ‘most’ of the ‘unequivocal’ warming of the Earth’s average global temperature over the second half of the 20th century.”

You have not shown where any grantors gave grants on the condition that the recipients of those grants prove a connection between global climate change and greenhouse gases. No instances=no basis for your claim.

As for the mild term denier, you have complained about it repeatedly. After the first complaint, I said I would no longer use it. I hoped foreswearing the term would allow your fragile self-esteem to heal. Apparently not.

Posted 272 days ago.

Kendall78

So was, "HOw can you trust the information if you know it may exaggerated to get attention and funding", tongue in cheek or did you mean it?

Posted 272 days ago.

Kendall78

Youth, like truth..is in the eye of the beholder. You should know this, your eyes see a new truth everyday. Just a pity they rarely see any facts.

Posted 272 days ago.

Kendall78

"Debunk 97 percent CHECK"

Uncheck...you debunked nothing except allow it to be shown that the 97% were those who actually known something about climate science.

"Demonstrate Results for Funding CHECK,"

Uncheck, you have shown there are those that says it happens. You offer no evidence that it actually has.

"Deny the term DENIER CHECK,"

Uncheck, you have done nothing but denied evidence of man made climate change. You ignore the information of those you have mentioned yourself when it does not suit you. You are the very living embodiment of a denier.

"Well my work is done for a while thanks."

Yep, I think you are done, quite done.

Posted 273 days ago.

Kendall78

"HOw can you trust the information if you know it may exaggerated to get attention and funding"

What information has been exaggerated?

What funding?

From whom?

Do you have any actual evidence specific to any of your claims? All you have given is vague notions without any substance.

Posted 273 days ago.

mythravere

I mean how many times has Tiredofit used socialism as the reason for climate change being an issue?

Posted 273 days ago.

mythravere

It really in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter what that woman said the climatologists have to supposedly do to get their funding. We know that the world is warming up. We know that nature isn't the absolute reason for this warming. In truth they play off of each other.

Until its found out that the seeking of "funding" is the total reason for what is being said about climate change then you know which camp I am sticking with.

Deniers will deny till they turn blue in the face. Its not a question of facts for them. Its all about resisting the other political faction.

Posted 273 days ago.

mythravere

"It's the fact that she freely admits that climatologists lie to scare people and get funding."

Do they lie or do they hype up what they are saying about climate change.

More to the point how do we know that what she said is the truth?

Do they lie about that stuff?

If so where's the proof that they do?

Posted 273 days ago.

Kendall78

"What's scary is that you don't seem to care,"

Care about what? That people of power and wealth have influence in our world? That was a lesson I learned a long time ago. It's not really that shocking of a revelation.

"the ends must justify the means"

If you would study history, you would see that mentality is found in all types..liberals and conservatives alike.

"It's not whether I believe her or not."

Actually it does because this is an informal debate platform. Otherwise you are just being a lukewarm fence-rider.

Posted 273 days ago.

Kendall78

Curious Tired, since you think politics influences scientists to support Global Warming as being real. You must also accept the opposite that there are political entities that support those who deny that global warming is happening. Would this be correct?

Posted 273 days ago.

Kendall78

"I would say she knows both politics and science better than anyone here."

So since you admit that she knows more than you do about science, you would agree with her stance on carbon being a pollutant that effects global warming..right?

The only other option is for you to say no and show that you are just a stubborn child when it comes to this topic.

Posted 273 days ago.

Kendall78

"but she freely admits to exaggerating for political action and funding."

Soooo...she is correct until you don't agree with her. Yeah that's a mature and openminded way to be.

Posted 273 days ago.

luvthesouth

it sounds like you folks need to take a break and enjoy some of these banging pancakes i just whipped up. you just can't beat breakfast for lunch! sorry for the interruption... enjoy your discussion.

Posted 273 days ago.

mythravere

"This is absolute textbook deflection and misdirection" Tiredofit.

You mean you being asked specific questions and either flat out refusing to answer them or saying it is us who have to prove what we are saying while you don't and/or bringing up topics like the past one that has little weight on this issue in the bigger picture.

You mean to tell me that isn't deflecting and misdirecting.

Ohhhhhhh! LOL! I smell a hypocrite.

Posted 273 days ago.

mythravere

And dimwit what pray tell do you think they are uncertain of anyways? I guess using your logic when they point to uncertainty you think in your feeble mind it means the whole shebang?

But I am betting the uncertainty lies with the effects of global warming and the time scales in which they will take place. Plus the timescales of the needed actions to limit the effects of man made climate change.

Sheesh you take one little data point and use it to discount the whole issue.

Talk about dishonest.

Posted 273 days ago.

mythravere

All this arguing over bullchit he said she said bologna....but you still will not talk about the actual warming of this planet and what is causing it if man is not the cause.

Me thinks you pick your battle carefully.

Posted 273 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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