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by Kendall78
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

Back on topic

Fox News has participated in the anti-science campaign, according to a study conducted last fall by the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS). UCS wrote,

“Over a recent six-month period, Fox News Channel representations of climate science were misleading 93 percent of the time (37 out of 40 citations).

“Representations featured broad dismissals of the reality of human-induced climate change, disparagement of scientists, mockery of climate science as a body of knowledge, and the cherry-picking of facts and studies to cast doubt on established climate science.”

htt p://ww w.ucsusa.or g/news/press_release/media-climate-science-event-0340.html

Notice the techniques UCS attributed to Fox: “disparagement” of individuals, “mockery,” and “cherry-picking of facts and studies.”

I call these techniques anti-science.

Posted 446 days ago.

I normally don't get into the climate change debate, mostly because the only science either side wants to believe is that which props up the believe that is mandated to them by their higher ups. Despite what Myth would have you believe, the left is just as bad as the right in that they are not allowed to disparage the position taken by the national party no matter how many legitimate questions are ask.

Posted 446 days ago.

mythravere

And global warming theories aren't science?

Selective belief breeds those kind of thoughts!

Straight up and no arguing about it.

Believing man has an impact on the climate is not a position a rightwinger is allowed to have.

I repeat. NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE.

Could there be a more dishonest and ignorant way of thinking than that?

Nope!

Posted 447 days ago.

mythravere

The problem with "conservatives" is that they will never admit when they are wrong. Once a position is taken they "stay the course" regardless of the facts.

Another problem is that a lot of conservatives are moral supremacists.

They are to issues of belief and morality what a racist is to issues of race and nationality.

Simply meaning if you aint "colored" like they are then you aint nothing to them!

I was in a library once and this lady for some odd reason proclaimed with great boisterous pride that SHE was an EVANGELICAL to the librarian.

When you hold yourself above others you aint nothing but a solid waste outlet of a human body!

And what do we see more often than not?

The right parading around on their high horse like their crap dont stink and everyone else is the problem.

The current batch of comments shows that plainly.

Posted 447 days ago.

harryanderson

Ithink,

Welcome to the group that quotes the Bible on this forum.

And thank you for that quote! It’s always helpful for us to remember that our gifts and power do not come from us. They come from God. We should remember with humility that we’re nothing apart from God.

And that same God has removed all guilt from us and exalted us. What mercy. Truly God is worthy of being exalted.

Again, thanks for reminding us of who God is and who we are.

Posted 447 days ago.

I love science. I do not consider man made global warming theories to be science. It is hogwash.

Harry this verse from Luke reminds ne of your writings. "..... For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

You spout Bible verses and act as though you are the only one who lives by them.

Your exalted opinion of your religion here on a political forum is intrusion of your beliefs. It does not show that you honor others freedom of religion.

You can shine your light by example instead of intruding your preaching where it does not belong. Find a street corner.

Posted 447 days ago.

harryanderson

Now let’s talk about my denying history or saying it is incomplete. The Bible says history is incomplete. The Bible talks about a final judgment that has not yet taken place.

The Bible says, “And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”

Since God hasn’t done that for all of us yet, I’d say that the history of man is incomplete.

Thanks again for asking these questions.

Posted 447 days ago.

harryanderson

I’m okay with you not discussing your religion. I discuss mine because it informs all my opinions, political or otherwise. I can no more separate my religion from my attitude toward government than you can separate your skepticism and observation from your attitude toward government.

And you’re quite right. What I see in history, what I learned about the foundations of America in school, and what my common sense tell me all contradict what the Bible says. So I must choose which to believe. I choose to believe the Bible. Such is faith.

And I benefit from that faith. When God says a ruler is “God’s minister to (me) for good,” God assumes responsibility for making that come true. Therefore, I don’t have to live in fear of or be angry at the government. God frees me from fear and anger, and I enjoy life much more.

I don’t “trust govt,” but I certainly trust the God of the Bible.

Posted 447 days ago.

Tiredofit

I suppose because the bible has spoken on govt. You will deny history too, or call it incomplete.

Posted 447 days ago.

Tiredofit

Apply your bible verse to Germany in the late 30s early 40s. Pol pot, et al. Apply it to our own Govt ass we expand west, surely the Indian didnt share your verse.

Posted 447 days ago.

Tiredofit

You seem to trust govt, as you so rightly point out Islam is a religion, and the Nazis ran a govt.

Posted 447 days ago.

Tiredofit

This forum is not the place I discuss things of that nature.

Posted 447 days ago.

harryanderson

I made a mistake. Sorry for the oversight. I’ll correct it now. You also said, “my religious beliefs also come into play. So do mine. However, I don’t know what you mean by “religious beliefs.” That’s a broad term. Muslims are religious.

Would you like to clarify what you mean by religious beliefs?

Posted 448 days ago.

harryanderson

Okay. Thanks for answering. Let’s look at those.

Common sense. I use that, too, but it’s not at the top of my list because, as the Bible says, “My ways are higher than your ways.” And also, “There is a way that seems right to a man, but it’s end is the way of death.”

Observation. Again, that’s important to me, but it’s not at the top of my list because the Bible says we “see through a glass, darkly.”

Healthy skepticism of government. While government has done some wrong things, I don’t consider skepticism of the government healthy because the Bible says, “For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same.”

We’ve each told where we’re coming from. I can see why you get so angry. I take the Bible for my number-one source and physical evidence as revealed by science as my number-two source. You list neither one.

Posted 448 days ago.

Tiredofit

My beliefs are rooted in common sense, observation and a healthy skepticism of Governments in general. My religious beliefs also come into play.

Posted 448 days ago.

Tiredofit

Pay no attention to Nancy, he has been in OK servicing a glory hole I suppose.

Posted 448 days ago.

harryanderson

Here’s why I don’t consider Mr. Cuccinelli anti-science. Suppose Mr. Cuccinelli’s mechanic tells him he needs to replace his bald tires because research has found that tires need tread to keep water from getting between the rubber and road, therefore greatly lowering the coefficient of friction between rubber and road. I imagine Mr. Cuccinelli would accept that scientific explanation and buy new tires.

So is Mr. Cuccinelli “anti-science”? I say he isn’t. His position on the one issue is anti-science and his position on the other issue is pro-science.

That’s why I consider it important to separate a person from his position. Thanks for letting this point come out.

So, Tiredofit, I have answered your question. Will you answer my last question? Let me repeat it. Again, what is the source of your beliefs?

Posted 448 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit,

Your last question was, “Just who is the ubiquitous anti science people you refer to?”

I’m very glad you asked that because it gives me the opportunity to make a critical point.

As befits my custom, I don’t call people names. I said there was an anti-science campaign. I didn’t say there were anti-science people. I try to evaluate claims and actions; I try not to judge people. Let me illustrate.

I would consider Ken Cuccinelli’s campaign against Michael Mann anti-science. I agree with the UVA directors, who answered his subpoena, “Mr. Cuccinelli’s investigation, unless based on a much more substantial body of evidence than is apparent, could inappropriately inhibit the free exchange of scientific findings and ideas and thus limit the progress of science.”

While I consider Mr. Cuccinelli’s ACTION anti-science, I do not consider HIM anti-science.

Posted 448 days ago.

harryanderson

“Harry, the trifecta won't answer your questions, why in the world would you offer them answers to their circular logic questions?”

Because I’m happy to share my opinions and subject them to scrutiny.

Read the discussion. You might find it revealing.

Posted 448 days ago.

harryanderson

I look forward to answering your question. Just hang on for a couple of hours until I get back at my desk.

Posted 448 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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