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28 minutes ago.
by Ohwiseone
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

“Global warming denial hits a six year high.”

I’m sure that’s comforting for people like you, Tiredofit, since you wrote, “it’s a political agenda, not a scientific discussion.”

And it’s true that the counter climate change movement is currently winning the political debate in the US, even as they continue to badly lose the scientific debate.

Still, since just 3% of voters 18 to 34 believe climate change isn’t happening, the political consensus will, in time, follow the scientific consensus, as it did with the link between smoking and cancer, the ozone hole, and other scientific findings that have been politicized.

Posted 275 days ago.

mythravere

Well we can start a new forum topic when the time is good for you. Enjoy your luncheon.

Posted 275 days ago.

luvthesouth

mythravere, it appears as if you have put quite a bit of thought into the subject. that is a good thing. i would love to have this discussion with you...but two things...1) the others posting on this topic may not appreciate the deviation and 2) i have burgers on the grill for a luncheon we are having in a couple of hours.

Posted 275 days ago.

harryanderson

As Tiredofit notes, the US has spent quite a bit of money on climate studies.

Thanks for pointing this out, Tiredofit. And the overwhelming conclusions, according to the Weekly Standard, have been:

“The burning of oil, gas, and especially coal pumps carbon dioxide and other gases into the atmosphere, where they allow the sun’s heat to penetrate to the Earth’s surface but impede its escape, thus causing the lower atmosphere and the Earth’s surface to warm. Essentially everybody, (including the skeptics’ darling, Richard) Lindzen included, agrees.”

Posted 275 days ago.

mythravere

When I start thing of the existence of a creator I look at the details of our existence.

The complexity of it all fills me with wonder. Then I look at what is said about god and his will. Some of those things in light of what he created seems awfully petty...born more from the petty mind of man than from something that brings into existence what we see around us.

Posted 275 days ago.

mythravere

But how much of that knowledge of God is divine in nature..you know God being the source. And how much is it is born from the mind of man? Like trying to put the pieces of a puzzle together...but in a sense instead of putting those pieces together to see what the picture is you arrange those pieces to show the picture you want to see.

How much of what we know of god is just what man wants god to be like.

Posted 275 days ago.

mythravere

Luvthesouth contrary to what my posts may "sound" like I am not closed off to the idea that there is/could be a creator.

What hangs me up is mans role in determining what and where the creator is.

You see for me I look at where and what time this information of the almighty came into being. The vast majority of it came into being in times that were filled with ignorance of the world and universe. At least for some religions. Not all. The Maya and others like the Egyptians are exceptions in the scientific sense. Their astronomical knowledge is astounding. Engineering also.

Posted 275 days ago.

luvthesouth

found on the amazingfacts dot org website. enjoy your day.

Posted 275 days ago.

luvthesouth

mythravere...perhaps there is not any evidence you will accept. there is a first-hand account and testimony contained within the new testament to assure us that there is indeed a God that created the known world. it really should not surprise anyone that all of the creatures as well as mankind have common "ingredients". the thing that seems to set mankind apart from the other creatures is the soul and higher reasoning ability. many seem eager to accept the interpretation of the past and current physical state of being by scientists and the musings of philosophers in which to strip away any credit to a creator. many would rather place their faith in blind chance rather than divinely created design. it is wonderful to have a choice in our beliefs....that is the way God designed it...that is...from the Christian God point of view. enjoy and find comfort in your personal choice.....i have. for further insight and interesting reading, take a few moment and visit the free library

Posted 275 days ago.

mythravere

Care to shoot holes in those previous posts I made? Of course not. That would require you using your grey matter.

Sorry sport but you aint going to trap me in an asinine argument about pointless drivel like you did Harry.

Either start putting down the facts about why the science is wrong or stop posting on this topic.

And oh of course I know you say whatever you want...but the more you talk the more you are cementing the fact that you are beaten on this issue.

Posted 275 days ago.

mythravere

Last time I checked there has been no conclusive evidence that the Christian god even exists.

If the preachers have some proof to back their claims up...well then that might make a believer out of me.

Its just so silly to me to even consider for one second that given the breadth of existence that we are the center of it.

I'm sure a civilization of people isolated say on an Island would think they are only ones on too given how big the world around them would feel.

Posted 275 days ago.

mythravere

Oh yea. The way our oceans are going. Its going to be good for you if you're a jellyfish.

Posted 276 days ago.

mythravere

Heck in some places like off the coast of Japan..fisherman have to deal with massive hordes of jellyfish getting in their nets.

fixed.

Posted 276 days ago.

mythravere

Now people make think heat..big deal. Better than an Ice age. That'd be correct but. Plants and animals more often than not have a narrow range of what is considered a survivable environment for them.

Change it too much and they die..in some cases they evolve.

Heat isn't the only problem. The chemical makeup of the oceans are changing too. Becoming more acidic.

Heck in some places like off the coast of Japan..they have to deal with massive hordes of jellyfish getting in their nets.

Some animals will thrive on a warmer planet.

Posted 276 days ago.

mythravere

"It’s believed that plate tectonics on Venus stopped billions of years ago. And without plate tectonics burying carbon deep inside the planet, it was able to build up in the atmosphere. The carbon dioxide built up to the point that any oceans on Venus boiled away. And then the Sun’s solar wind carried the hydrogen atoms away from Venus, making it impossible to ever make liquid water again. The concentration of carbon dioxide just kept increasing until it was all in the atmosphere."

A excerpt from that article.

Posted 276 days ago.

mythravere

Our climate is a lot like a soda. Change the components that it consists of and you change the flavor right?

Well if we change the composition of the gases that comprise our atmosphere then that might change things right?

If any of thats wrong please point out why.

Even though I know the party this is directed will not.

Posted 276 days ago.

mythravere

Before we started using all that fuel where was the carbon contained within?

The ground right? LOL!

So since we use and we have been doing so for quite sometime in massive massive quantities..we've put a lot carbon up into the atmosphere. Right?

Say tell me again why is Venus so hot.

Knowing that and following the logic...if we increase the level of co2 (the same stuff that traps heat on Venus) in the atmosphere we might just well cause the temperature of this planet to increase right?

Because I know how dramatic people like Tiredofit can be let me say that I am not saying that the we are going to make this planet like vensus.

Posted 276 days ago.

mythravere

Aaah screw it I'll answer that. 90 some percent of Venus's atmosphere is comprised of Co2.

Now lets follow a train of logical thought.

What happens when we burn fossil fuels or anything carbon based? In addition to to other emissions Co2/CO is released right? I think we can agree on that.

What are fossil fuels? Pretty much carbon. Since we know that if we burn it that in turn will release that stored carbon in the air we can say that we're reintroducing carbon back into the atmosphere.

Looks right to me.

Posted 276 days ago.

mythravere

Tell us Tiredofit what makes the atmosphere of Venus so hot?

Posted 276 days ago.

mythravere

"As the climate models prove time and again to be false"

Show us where they are false.

Posted 276 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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