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97 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

Even though the counter climate change movement’s campaign has fooled some people lately, the report that forms the basis of the article cited by Tiredofit reports on p. 27:

“These three groups--the Alarmed, the Concerned, and the Cautious—currently compose two-thirds of the American public. Although they range in certainty about the reality and dangers of climate change, they are similarly inclined to believe it is a real threat that should be addressed. Thus, some level of support for action is the predominant view among the majority of Americans.”

htt p://environment.yale.edu/climate-communication/files/Climate-Beliefs-November-2013.pdf

So 2/3 of the American public are inclined to believe, despite the counter climate change movement’s efforts, climate change is a real threat that should be addressed.

Posted 752 days ago.

mythravere

Ithink you say you see God in the heavens and earth and in the love of a mother.

Well when I consider the possibility of a creator I see like the often seen picture of Footprints in the Sand footprints of what to me is a wonderful mystery. Take the simplicity in how a whirligig of a maple tree goes about its business. Fascinating that nature would choose to make that little thing work that way.

There are so many examples of that kind of thing I could go on and on.

Those things cause me to conclude that if there is a creator....well he's one heck of an engineer. The logic alone to make things as they are....a lot of what's written in the bible that is claimed to be the word of god...it justs seems rather petty for something that is capable of so much.

And all that we see around us is simply footprints in the sand.

I wonder if there is a creator but since I can't say for sure by the sight of my own eyes I withhold my own judgement.

Posted 752 days ago.

mythravere

Oh one more thing. For me to take up belief in any religion to me it feels like I would have to then deny that the beliefs of others are not true so to speak.

Being that way makes me uncomfortable.

I don't like shutting people out like that.

To me its another point of division.

Posted 752 days ago.

mythravere

Now Ithink let me say this. Faith works for you. You don't it seems have a need nor want to question things. I understand and respect that.

Questioning things is a part of who I am. Questioning things is what lead me to be who I am today. If I can't answer a question then I suspend any kind of belief toward the thing I am questioning.

Another aspect of who I am is that I really have no personal need for there to be a God. Because that leads into another aspect of my personality. I am very comfortable with not knowing. If you know what I mean.

Posted 752 days ago.

Conclusive evidence of God? That's why it is called faith, myth.

But I see it when I see the heavens and the earth, and a mother's love.

Posted 752 days ago.

harryanderson

“Global warming denial hits a six year high.”

I’m sure that’s comforting for people like you, Tiredofit, since you wrote, “it’s a political agenda, not a scientific discussion.”

And it’s true that the counter climate change movement is currently winning the political debate in the US, even as they continue to badly lose the scientific debate.

Still, since just 3% of voters 18 to 34 believe climate change isn’t happening, the political consensus will, in time, follow the scientific consensus, as it did with the link between smoking and cancer, the ozone hole, and other scientific findings that have been politicized.

Posted 752 days ago.

mythravere

Well we can start a new forum topic when the time is good for you. Enjoy your luncheon.

Posted 752 days ago.

luvthesouth

mythravere, it appears as if you have put quite a bit of thought into the subject. that is a good thing. i would love to have this discussion with you...but two things...1) the others posting on this topic may not appreciate the deviation and 2) i have burgers on the grill for a luncheon we are having in a couple of hours.

Posted 752 days ago.

harryanderson

As Tiredofit notes, the US has spent quite a bit of money on climate studies.

Thanks for pointing this out, Tiredofit. And the overwhelming conclusions, according to the Weekly Standard, have been:

“The burning of oil, gas, and especially coal pumps carbon dioxide and other gases into the atmosphere, where they allow the sun’s heat to penetrate to the Earth’s surface but impede its escape, thus causing the lower atmosphere and the Earth’s surface to warm. Essentially everybody, (including the skeptics’ darling, Richard) Lindzen included, agrees.”

Posted 752 days ago.

mythravere

When I start thing of the existence of a creator I look at the details of our existence.

The complexity of it all fills me with wonder. Then I look at what is said about god and his will. Some of those things in light of what he created seems awfully petty...born more from the petty mind of man than from something that brings into existence what we see around us.

Posted 752 days ago.

mythravere

But how much of that knowledge of God is divine in nature..you know God being the source. And how much is it is born from the mind of man? Like trying to put the pieces of a puzzle together...but in a sense instead of putting those pieces together to see what the picture is you arrange those pieces to show the picture you want to see.

How much of what we know of god is just what man wants god to be like.

Posted 752 days ago.

mythravere

Luvthesouth contrary to what my posts may "sound" like I am not closed off to the idea that there is/could be a creator.

What hangs me up is mans role in determining what and where the creator is.

You see for me I look at where and what time this information of the almighty came into being. The vast majority of it came into being in times that were filled with ignorance of the world and universe. At least for some religions. Not all. The Maya and others like the Egyptians are exceptions in the scientific sense. Their astronomical knowledge is astounding. Engineering also.

Posted 752 days ago.

luvthesouth

found on the amazingfacts dot org website. enjoy your day.

Posted 752 days ago.

luvthesouth

mythravere...perhaps there is not any evidence you will accept. there is a first-hand account and testimony contained within the new testament to assure us that there is indeed a God that created the known world. it really should not surprise anyone that all of the creatures as well as mankind have common "ingredients". the thing that seems to set mankind apart from the other creatures is the soul and higher reasoning ability. many seem eager to accept the interpretation of the past and current physical state of being by scientists and the musings of philosophers in which to strip away any credit to a creator. many would rather place their faith in blind chance rather than divinely created design. it is wonderful to have a choice in our beliefs....that is the way God designed it...that is...from the Christian God point of view. enjoy and find comfort in your personal choice.....i have. for further insight and interesting reading, take a few moment and visit the free library

Posted 752 days ago.

mythravere

Care to shoot holes in those previous posts I made? Of course not. That would require you using your grey matter.

Sorry sport but you aint going to trap me in an asinine argument about pointless drivel like you did Harry.

Either start putting down the facts about why the science is wrong or stop posting on this topic.

And oh of course I know you say whatever you want...but the more you talk the more you are cementing the fact that you are beaten on this issue.

Posted 752 days ago.

mythravere

Last time I checked there has been no conclusive evidence that the Christian god even exists.

If the preachers have some proof to back their claims up...well then that might make a believer out of me.

Its just so silly to me to even consider for one second that given the breadth of existence that we are the center of it.

I'm sure a civilization of people isolated say on an Island would think they are only ones on too given how big the world around them would feel.

Posted 752 days ago.

mythravere

Oh yea. The way our oceans are going. Its going to be good for you if you're a jellyfish.

Posted 753 days ago.

mythravere

Heck in some places like off the coast of Japan..fisherman have to deal with massive hordes of jellyfish getting in their nets.

fixed.

Posted 753 days ago.

mythravere

Now people make think heat..big deal. Better than an Ice age. That'd be correct but. Plants and animals more often than not have a narrow range of what is considered a survivable environment for them.

Change it too much and they die..in some cases they evolve.

Heat isn't the only problem. The chemical makeup of the oceans are changing too. Becoming more acidic.

Heck in some places like off the coast of Japan..they have to deal with massive hordes of jellyfish getting in their nets.

Some animals will thrive on a warmer planet.

Posted 753 days ago.

mythravere

"It’s believed that plate tectonics on Venus stopped billions of years ago. And without plate tectonics burying carbon deep inside the planet, it was able to build up in the atmosphere. The carbon dioxide built up to the point that any oceans on Venus boiled away. And then the Sun’s solar wind carried the hydrogen atoms away from Venus, making it impossible to ever make liquid water again. The concentration of carbon dioxide just kept increasing until it was all in the atmosphere."

A excerpt from that article.

Posted 753 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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