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5 days ago.
by Stillhere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

A few days ago, Ithink trumpeted a Telegraph "The scandal of fiddled global warming data."

The article claims NASA "shamelessly manipulated" temperature records to hide that "the US has actually been cooling since the Thirties."

Politifact rated this claim "Pants on Fire," which they reserve for the most outrageous distortions.

ww w.politifact.c om/punditfact/statements/2014/jun/25/steve-doocy/foxs-doocy-nasa-fudged-data-make-case-global-warmi/

Counter climate change propaganda sites spread this lie. They wouldn't exist without distorting things.

Posted 155 days ago.

harryanderson

Kendall,

People may not absorb (deal with) the facts, but, as Paulson said, we'll all have to deal with the effects.

Paulson's interested in dealing with it sooner while it's cheaper and while we can still do it with conservative small-government methods. He wrote, "Some members of my political party worry that pricing carbon is a “big government” intervention. In fact, it will reduce the role of government, which, on our present course, increasingly will be called on to help communities and regions affected by climate-related disasters like floods, drought-related crop failures and extreme weather like tornadoes, hurricanes and other violent storms. We’ll all be paying those costs. Not once, but many times over."

Posted 155 days ago.

Kendall78

@Harry- you are correct and the polling is showing a shift in how people see climate change. It goes to show that if one keeps putting the facts out there that eventually all people will have to absorb them.

Posted 155 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit nothing is provable to you unless it supports your positions.

Thats saying a lot about your interest in "decent" debate.

Posted 155 days ago.

harryanderson

Paulson also wrote, "We need to craft national policy that uses market forces to provide incentives for the technological advances required to address climate change. As I’ve said, we can do this by placing a tax on carbon dioxide emissions."

This would probably help. However, I don't think it's a cure-all. We also need an aggressive conservation strategy.

But we have a problem. Paulson writes, "Climate change is the challenge of our time. Each of us must recognize that the risks are personal. We’ve seen and felt the costs of underestimating the financial bubble. Let’s not ignore the climate bubble."

The problem is that some are ignoring the problem and some loud ones are claiming there is no problem.

The counter climate change movement will lose credibility in time, but every year of delay will cost us more.

Posted 155 days ago.

harryanderson

63% of Republicans believe we should take action on climate change. One, former Treasury Sec. under Geo. W. Bush Hank Paulson, has written an op-ed in the NY Times.

Paulson writes, "We need to act now, even though there is much disagreement, including from members of my own Republican Party, on how to address this issue while remaining economically competitive. They’re right to consider the economic implications. But we must not lose sight of the profound economic risks of doing nothing.

"The solution can be a fundamentally conservative one that will empower the marketplace to find the most efficient response. We can do this by putting a price on emissions of carbon dioxide — a carbon tax. Few in the United States now pay to emit this potent greenhouse gas into the atmosphere we all share. Putting a price on emissions will create incentives to develop new, cleaner energy technologies."

Posted 155 days ago.

mythravere

In fact any attempt at assuaging those fears causes the person taken with fear to dig in even more.

They think that you trying to calm their fears is a conspiracy.

Whats a person or nation to do when so many become inflicted with such insanity?

I guess divided we shall fall is how its going to be.

Posted 155 days ago.

mythravere

And these people I am talking about are older folks who have had a white man as president their entire lives.

And then there was his name Barack Hussein Obama.

Foreign sounding and completely different than the norm.

That got the conspiratorial juices flowing and the rest his history.

Things become issues on the right that normally would never get a mention anywhere.

But fear of the unknown and different turns those issues into a life and death struggle that is made worse by the simple fact the any of the people who hold those issues important can not be reasoned with.

Their fears can not be assuaged.

Posted 155 days ago.

mythravere

I swear this is a true story.

The morning after Obama was elected the first time. A guy goes up to my highly conservative and Fox News viewing coworker and they talk about how they can't believe Obama got elected. So they talk for a minute or two and then this guy that was talking to my coworker skulks off with this look on his face like he was just waiting for the boogieman to jump out and get him.

For some Obama represented a massive change in a direction that scared the living mortal*****out of them.

Posted 155 days ago.

Kendall78

1. Police Commissioner Robert Copeland from Wolfboro, N.H.

2. Obama protesters in Arizona sang "By Bye Black Sheep" (August 2013)

3. Same protest as above, signs such as "Impeach the Half-White Muslim!" were present.

4. Tea Party organizer Jennifer Olsen posted a racist image on her facebook account that was aimed at the President.

5. Danny Halfey of Kentucky put a watermellon eating Obama display in his yard.

Ok..these are just some examples of those willing to put racist stuff out there for people to see. Tired, you do not think that for those that willfully make it known they have racist thoughts toward the President, that there isn't so many more that hate him in the same manner that are gurgling just under the surface?

(that was an Inferno reference at the end there in case you didn't know)

Posted 155 days ago.

mythravere

Oh and how remiss of me to mention the subjugation of Africans for slavery.

Posted 155 days ago.

mythravere

And because I know its going to be brought up I am going to say this. Whats wrong with whites supporting their own?

Nothing really is just the history behind that support that concerns people.

You see we whites whew we've been a bloodthirsty lot in our time on this pale blue dot.

Regardless of nationality we've spilled a mighty amount of blood.

The Crusades. The Inquisition. The Salem Witch Trials. Small but still grisley. The Civil War. The taking of this nation from the Native Americans World War One World War Two and along with that the holocaust. British Imperialism.

Posted 155 days ago.

mythravere

So batter up Tiredofit. Swing and miss.

Posted 155 days ago.

mythravere

"And you should equally assume that race plays a part in those that adore him."

Well considering that Obama is the first and only black president so far after a long line of white presidents.

It shouldn't even be a surprise that blacks support a black president.

But then thats positive in nature isn't it?

Thats totally different than someone using his race in a negative and destructive manner isn't it?

Yea.

Posted 155 days ago.

Kendall78

"93% of blacks voted for Obama. Do you think race was a factor????"

You are not seeing the difference here Tired. There is nothing wrong with voting for someone because they remind you of yourself. That is what a Republic is al about in regards to voting.

Now if those "93%" voted against McCain because he was white, then that would be wrong. Did those 93% vote against McCain because he was white Tired?

Posted 155 days ago.

Kendall78

"And you should equally assume that race plays a part in those that adore him."

Have I implied I didn't? Pay attention.

Posted 155 days ago.

Kendall78

"It may be hard for YOU not to say, but that doesn't make it true, know the difference."

It may be hard for me not to say it, but that doesn't make it false, know the difference.

Posted 155 days ago.

mythravere

"It's moronic to say 100 of whites voted for white president "

Proof positive right here why you never see conservative comedies that are funny.

They don't get sarcasm.

Posted 155 days ago.

Kendall78

What Clinton was impeached for was very muc different and easier to find legal fault in than anything that people have tried (and failed) to pin on Obama.

They are not the same.

Posted 155 days ago.

mythravere

"Striking out again myth"

Hey man if stating that and feeeeeling that makes you feel all warm inside filled with contentment that you are right...well carry on then sport.

I don't need to feel right on this issue because I am confident I am right on this issue.

Over and out roger ramjet! Huzzah!

Posted 155 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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