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7 hours ago.
by Kendall78
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

AaronS wrote, “This is not about whether Shell, Exxon, or Appalachian Power suddenly believes in climate change.”

According to the sources I cited previously, Shell and Exxon certainly do believe that CO2 emissions cause climate change. In order to refresh everybody’s memory, I’ll repost excerpts from the two quotes I posted before.

From Shell’s website: “At the same time CO2 emissions must be reduced to avoid serious climate change.”

And as to Exxon, as reported by Reuters: “Exxon Mobil, once one of the staunchest critics of climate change research, has acknowledged under Tillerson's leadership that human-made emissions have contributed to altering the planet's climate.”

They know that you don’t dig your corner office for long when you dig a quicksand foundation under it.

Posted 370 days ago.

Of course Shell and Exxon now support pricing CO2. Appalachian Power has taken the same stance. The EPA has classified CO2 a pollutant and therefore, will regulate emissions. They can do so either up front with a “Cap and Trade” carbon TAX (call it what it is) or after the fact with fines for emission violations that exceed allowed amounts.

The energy companies that face fines if CO2 is regulated vie emission fines do not want that because they cannot account for the cost and pass it along to their customers. If they know the cost then they can classify the tax as part of their contribution margin and pass it along to the customer.

This is not about whether Shell, Exxon, or Appalachian Power suddenly believes in climate change. It is nothing more than a business decision based on economics and what is best for their bottom line.

Posted 370 days ago.

Thatsabsurd

Plenty of repukins believe in the climate change farce. Many democraps do not believe in the farce.......only the imbeciles from either party believe it and tout it after its been "PROVEN" time after time to be farce.

Stupid imbeciles

Posted 370 days ago.

Tiredofit

I'm sure Exxon is waiting for your endorsement.

Posted 375 days ago.

heywoodjablowme

If you read his post, you'll see it isn't Harry being quoted.

Harry, Have you ever claimed to be a scientist?

Posted 375 days ago.

harryanderson

What does the creation of earth have to do with the issue under discussion?

Posted 375 days ago.

Tiredofit

Yup harry and the world was created in 6 days you have NO credibility on science.

Posted 375 days ago.

harryanderson

I’m not yet endorsing the position of Exxon-Mobile and Shell that we need to, in Shell’s words, “put a price on CO2.”

But we do need to have a reasonable discussion about it. We need to stop calling the science a hoax. We need to stop calling those who propose solutions frauds and hypocrites, and instead focus on the relative merits of their solutions.

Here’s another idea: Former Bush advisor Samuel Thernstrom has advocated that we explore the efficacy of geoengineering as a partial solution. He has mentioned letting fine sulfur particles into the atmosphere to block some sunlight from reaching the earth.

Posted 375 days ago.

harryanderson

Well, mythravere, I believe that both the Republican Party and American businesses will keep moving toward more reasonable approaches.

“Exxon Mobil, once one of the staunchest critics of climate change research, has acknowledged under Tillerson's leadership that human-made emissions have contributed to altering the planet's climate. The company now supports taxing carbon emissions.”

ww w.reuters.co m/article/2012/06/27/us-exxon-climate-idUSBRE85Q1C820120627

And from Shell Oil: “All energy sources will be needed, with fossil fuels meeting the bulk of demand. At the same time CO2 emissions must be reduced to avoid serious climate change. To manage CO2, governments and industry must work together. Government action is needed and we support an international framework that puts a price on CO2, encouraging the use of all CO2-reducing technologies.”

ww w.shell.co m/global/environment-society/environment/climate-change.html

Posted 375 days ago.

How did you get to be such an expert on how the republican party "is ran", myth? Do you get up every morning thinking about what lies you can make up today? You know nothing about how conservatives think.

But we do know that the democrat party is RUN by having dead people, illegals, and Mickey Mouse characters vote. And by having a corrupt IRS, EPA, and Justice Dept.

Posted 375 days ago.

mythravere

They cant discuss it! No two ways to it. They acknowledge it as a problem in need of solutions and several things will happen. They get branded a RINO. The corporations opposed to the facts surrounding climate change will start throwing money at the person bringing it up to knock them out of office. And the "conservative" voters will go all ape crap on them.

Its a really big mess in how the Republican party is ran right now.

Tow the party line or get out. Simple as that. Group think or nothing else.

Whats even more messed up is where the objecting voice on climate change is coming from. The very same corporations that have a hand in causing the issue.

Posted 375 days ago.

harryanderson

“…only Democrats really discuss it.”

The fact that Republicans don’t discuss it hurts us all.

Posted 376 days ago.

harryanderson

The writer acknowledged that some so-called Republicans would be unwilling discuss applying conservative solutions to the real problem of climate disruption:

“Democrats have owned the climate change conversation for years, for the worse. The issue is perceived as “liberal” because only Democrats really discuss it. The left grabs the headlines with protests, civil disobedience, coordinated big-money campaigns, and sensationalist claims that the sky is falling. The left has been so successful at commanding the debate with talk of government mandates, reckless spending, and picking winners and losers that it has actually worsened the intransigence of conservatives on the issue.”

I somewhat take issue with the last sentence. The left is not responsible for some conservatives’ intransigence. I believe people should take personal responsibility, and that they should own their intransigence.

Posted 376 days ago.

RANDOM21

If everyone would just become Democrats the world would be as one. Imagine all the people. Now for reality are your land lines down? Mine has been since @ 5pm.

Posted 376 days ago.

Tiredofit

Yes harry we get it, you believe this tripe and wish to offer your advice as a Republican.

Posted 376 days ago.

harryanderson

More Republican reasonableness:

A Republican House staffer has advocated, albeit anonymously in order to “protect his boss and himself,” conservative solutions to the real problem of climate change.

Writing in Real Clear Science, “Eric Bradenton” leads, “Someone in the GOP needs to say it: conservation is conservative; climate change is real; and conservatives need to lead on solutions because we have better answers than the other side.”

And writes, “Republicans don’t have to choose between conceding to the left and denying the science. There are genuine pro-growth solutions that align with conservative values. Republicans can admit that 97 percent of scientists just might be right without having to embrace Democratic ideas that would grow government.”

ww w.realclearscience.co m/articles/2013/07/10/a_sensible_gop_solution_to_climate_change_106589.html

If more Republicans adopt this attitude, it will be very good for both Party and Country.

Posted 376 days ago.

Thatsabsurd

Climate Scientestetetetes declare Santa Exists....some imbecile conservatives support the idiot.

LOL Scramble scramble remove ANYTHING that can link you to AWWG LOL

You people are really the dumbest things walking the planet.

Posted 384 days ago.

harryanderson

Rational conservatives propose rational conservative solutions to the climate change problem.

One such conservative is Eli Lehrer, former Vice President of the fiercely skeptical Heartland Institute. In a new Weekly Standard piece arguing for conservative solutions, Lehrer writes, “Since carbon emissions do present a real problem,…”

Lehrer proposes instituting a tax on carbon and using the money to reduce taxes on productivity.

He concludes, “President Obama’s various proposals to deal with climate change have deep flaws. But that doesn’t mean the problem they seek to address isn’t genuine. Conservatives should care about global warming. And, just as liberals have done for almost 20 years, they should use the issue as a way to promote policies they already favor.”

ww w.weeklystandard.co m/articles/climate-change-gop_738063.html?page=1

That’s doing things decently and in order. Admit the problem is “real” and “genuine,” then discuss solutions.

Posted 384 days ago.

RANDOM21

Maybe the US can provide "Socket Balls" to all kids through their schools. These balls produce electricity while being kicked around and store that energy in batteries. Then at night the kids can plug their Iphones into them to recharge. Oops, forgot that it would require them to actually play with the ball to make it work.

Posted 384 days ago.

Thatsabsurd

LOL We TOLD YOU SO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL

The entire group of Climate Scintisteteteetsts are falling apart....NOTHING not a darn thing......nothing they p[reached can be proven to have a smidgen of truth to it. They look like a cage of butterflies in that meeting scrambling, bumping flying into each other trying to remove their names from anything that SUPPORT Climate change

But you IMBECILES will still preach it

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Posted 384 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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