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3 days ago.
by Kendall78
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Tiredofit

Don't be lazy or obtuse Myth, it took me all of 2 minutes to find it, I don't care to do your research for you. You don't want to find it as it is an opinion that differs from your religion of Global Warming and Govt control.

Posted 353 days ago.

mythravere

I used to deny climate change was caused by man. I was and still am afraid of what it will do to our economy in dealing with the issue. I am skeptical whether or not we can even make a difference at this time.

Failing to plan for the possible negatives coming from climate change will hurt us.

Who is to blame for making it impossible to have an adult conversation on the issue?

Both sides! But more so the right and its corporate handlers because of the doubt they have injected into the discussion. And because they choose to link it with the ideology of socialism. Thats done nothing but stir up the right into a hissy fit that has lead to irrational conclusions being drawn about the issue. On purpose!

Posted 353 days ago.

mythravere

Again sources! I googled your post talking about the petition and couldn't find any reputable references to it.

Who started that petition? Are all the signers of that petition willing participants in the petition drive?

I wouldn't put it past the deniers to fabricate a fake petition to bolster their cases against the issue.

One other thing thats interesting is the issue of being able to admit when one is in error.

Can those who deny climate change is manmade admit they are wrong when as time goes by the proof will stack up against them?

Me thinks their pride will prevent that in totality.

Got something to do with staying the course....

No real debate is possible when one side will not and can not concede when the other party is right on the facts.

Its denied just for the simple reason that it is viewed as a leftwing cause.

That is straight up dishonesty right there.

Posted 353 days ago.

Tiredofit

There are thousands of emals available for you to Google via FOIA. I know you won't bother as YOU are the one that everyone thinks like you. The thousands of PhD scientists that signed that letter are morons compared to you myth, dismiss them

Posted 353 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit if I told you were about to sit in bird crap you wouldn't believe me would you?

Because why! Yep! SOCIALISM! LOL!

Posted 353 days ago.

mythravere

Coming at the issue from a different angle lets consider this.

The life blood of our world. Carbon based energy sources. A resource that will become less and less plentiful as time goes by and become more expensive.

Moving away from relying on it is bad why? Even though we have proven reserves.

Why not commit to the necessary changes now seeing as how it make take years to make them workable? Its one of those things that its better to bite the bullet and take care of now than wait till the we are on the brink.

No you say? I understand.

Because SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Politics gotta love it.

Posted 353 days ago.

mythravere

Sources? LOL!

Aaah it doesn't matter. Its been debunked already.

What is so hard to understand about massive amounts of sequestered carbon being reintroduced into the atmosphere causing the chemical makeup of the atmosphere to change thereby leading to changes in atmosphere that causes (over a period of time)the climate to shift from its seasonal norms?

As I mentioned its all about who supports what.

Posted 353 days ago.

Tiredofit

* As of August 2011, 9,029 Ph.D. scientists including 3,805 atmospheric, earth, or environmental scientists have signed a petition stating:   There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

Posted 353 days ago.

Tiredofit

Mike [Michael E. Mann‡],   This is truly awful. GRL [Geophysical Research Letters] has gone downhill rapidly in recent years. I think the decline began before Saiers. I have had some unhelpful dealings with him recently with regard to a paper Sarah and I have on glaciers it was well received by the referees, and so is in the publication pipeline. However, I got the impression that Saiers was trying to keep it from being published.

Posted 353 days ago.

Tiredofit

writing, "I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards 'apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data' but in reality the situation is not quite so simple. … I believe that the recent warmth was probably matched about 1000 years ago. I do not believe that global mean annual temperatures have simply cooled progressively over thousands of years as Mike [Mann] appears to … and I contend that that there is strong evidence for major changes in climate over the Holocene [11,000 years ago to present] that require explanation and that could represent part of the current or future background variability of our climate."[132]

Posted 353 days ago.

Tiredofit

• proposing to conduct an "honest" study about the "uncertainties" of proxies and then to "publish, retire, and don't leave a forwarding address," because "what I almost think I know to be the case, the results of this study will show" that we "honestly know f**k-all" (i.e., little or nothing[130]) about Northern Hemisphere temperature variability over periods of more than a hundred years.[131]

Posted 353 days ago.

Tiredofit

* In 2009, an unknown individual(s) released more than 1,000 emails (many dealing with proxy studies) from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU). The materials were authored by some of the world's leading climate scientists and accompanied by the following note:

Posted 353 days ago.

Tiredofit

Some "republicans" deny anthropology despite tons of facts. How convenient to pick and chose when one believes science and when they don't.

Posted 353 days ago.

mythravere

There are two breeds of people on the right. Real conservatives like yourself. Which I have no problem with. The other one is republicans. The republicans dont give a rats butt about the facts. That is to whom I was referring.

A return to problem solving traditions would be greatly welcome. For the most part neither party is level headed at this point in time.

I'm sick of the centintion. I'm sick of everything becoming an issue. But thats what you get when you got billionaires and big business jerking the chains of the politicians.

Climate change to me is a non political issue. Sadly it can't be discussed without politics being brought into the conversation.

Posted 353 days ago.

harryanderson

Mythravere, most conservatives and Republicans are quite level-headed and rational. Check out my last post, where I reported that four Republican EPA Administrators wrote, “The costs of inaction are undeniable. The lines of scientific evidence grow only stronger and more numerous.”

And earlier I reported that a Republican Congressional aide wrote, “Someone in the GOP needs to say it: conservation is conservative; climate change is real; and conservatives need to lead on solutions because we have better answers than the other side.”

Yes, some seem guided mostly by fear and anger, but I believe that the majority of Republicans are returning to their problem-solving roots.

Don't judge the many by the few.

Posted 354 days ago.

mythravere

Ima betting that if say by some strange happening all the liberal folk of this world just disappeared. You guys would go looking for someone to fill the void left behind by the liberals.

The more I consider it the more I feel that you guys are addicted to the drama.

Posted 354 days ago.

mythravere

Aaah politics as usual. Thats the angle isn't it! Why dont you take your politically induced blinders off and just look at the facts.

If a liberal told you were about to sit down in bird chit you'd rather sit down in it obviously ignoring the warning the liberal gave just because a liberal told you.

And lol! If someone else came up and said yes you are about to sit in the bird poop you'd sneer at them and accuse them of having a socialistic agenda too.

Then splat! Drawers all dirty. But by god! You resisted the temptation of them dang dern socialists didn't you!

Yeehaw! REE PUBLICAN credentials innntact!!!!!!

Posted 354 days ago.

Kunectdots

(cont)

CLIMATE SCIENTIST: A person skilled in spouting obscure, scientific-sounding jargon that has the effect of deflecting requests for “DATA” by “DENIERS.” Also skilled at affecting an aura of “Smartest Person in the Room” to buffalo gullible legislators and journalists.

JUNK SCIENCE: The use of invalid scientific evidence resulting in findings of causation which simply cannot be justified or understood from the standpoint of the current state of credible scientific or medical knowledge.

Posted 354 days ago.

Kunectdots

Oh, possibly nothing if you think the cycles of solar storms and their documented effects upon our overall global climatic history has little to do with Al Gore's socialistic wet dreams.

Climate Change Dictionary

PEER REVIEW: The act of banding together a group of like-minded academics with a funding conflict of interest, for the purpose of squeezing out any research voices that threaten the multi-million dollar government grant gravy train.

SETTLED SCIENCE: Betrayal of the scientific method for politics or money or both.

DENIER: Anyone who suspects the truth.

CLIMATE CHANGE: What has been happening for billions of years, but should now be flogged to produce ‘panic for profit.’

NOBEL PEACE PRIZE: Leftist Nutcase Prize, unrelated to “Peace” in any meaningful way.

DATA, EVIDENCE: Unnecessary details. If anyone asks for this, see “DENIER,” above. (continued)

Posted 354 days ago.

mythravere

And this is noteworthy why?

Posted 354 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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