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4 days ago.
by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

BTW, Tiredofit,

If you care to read the actual paper, you'll find a link to it in the Forbes op-ed.

Posted 352 days ago.

harryanderson

Kunectdots:

Who is Easttexas51?

Posted 352 days ago.

Kunectdots

Easttexas51 wrote:

“The Canadian government has made several measurements since, which show that the North Magnetic Pole is moving continually northwestward. In 2001, an expedition located the pole at 81.3°N 110.8°W. In 2007, the latest survey found the pole at 83.95°N 120.72°W.[13] During the 20th century it moved 1100 km, and since 1970 its rate of motion has accelerated from 9 km/year to approximately 52 km/year”

"Just saying that it may not be just the rise of Co2 causing climate change. The north magnetic pole has moved over 1000 miles in my lifetime and the movement is accelerating. The Earth has experienced many pole reversals. Do you not think this might have some influence on climate? People seem to think that just because the Earth has had a certain look to it since recorded history, that it will always remain so. It won’t. Not unless you can control the Sun and all other natural forces."

AMEN!

Posted 352 days ago.

harryanderson

After comparing the actual paper to Mr. Taylor’s op-ed, it’s clear that Mr. Taylor misrepresented the findings by failing to inform his readers that the “scientists and engineers” sampled came from a carefully selected group with strong ties to the petroleum industry, and that the study aimed to sample that one industry.

I am surprised by one statistic here. The largest group of this obviously biased sample--36% --believe we should comply with the Kyoto Protocol. I would have thought that percentage would be much lower.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I found the study fascinating. Forget Forbes. Forget Thinkprogress. Go to the source.

Posted 352 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit,

These results don’t surprise me. I suggest you take an hour to read the actual paper. It’s interesting.

I’ll quote some key passages.

The research question was: “How do professional experts frame the reality of climate change and themselves as experts, while engaging in defensive institutional work against others?” (“defensive institutional work” being “the maintenance of institutions against disruptions.”)

“To address this, we reconstruct the frames of one group of experts who have not received much attention in previous research and yet play a central role in understanding industry responses – professional experts in petroleum and related industries.”

So, the survey deliberately chose an organization heavily laden with members of the petroleum industry. The survey included no climate scientists. 84% of the respondents were engineers, most of who were getting paid to extract oil and gas from the tar sands of Alberta and defend their companies.

Posted 352 days ago.

Tiredofit

And that brings us back to me claim that this is being used for peoples own agenda. You site none other than a George Soros supported site to refute my source, Surely we can agree that Mr Soros is a Socialist and avocates for Socialist policy with his billions?

Posted 352 days ago.

Tiredofit

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Think Progress)

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ThinkProgress

ThinkProgresslogo2011.jpg

Web address thinkprogress****

Commercial? No

Type of site Political blog

Available language(s) English

Content license Proprietary

Owner Center for American Progress Action Fund

Created by Judd Legum

Editor Judd Legum [1]

Launched 2004

Current status Active

ThinkProgress is an American political blog that "provide[s] a forum that advances progressive ideas and policies".[2] It is an outlet of the Center for American Progress.

Posted 352 days ago.

Tiredofit

Man you are more delusional than I thought if you believe that.

Posted 352 days ago.

Tiredofit

I did google that, and got a link to THINK PROGRESS, would you call that an ubiased observer of truth?

Posted 352 days ago.

Tiredofit

What is your unbiased source?????

Posted 352 days ago.

Tiredofit

What is your source?> must have missed it.

Posted 352 days ago.

Tiredofit

So you impeach the source because he is a Conservative like Harry???? I found it very interesting.

Posted 352 days ago.

mythravere

Oh and did you read the comments on that article. Specifically read the post by Lianne Lefsrud. One of the authors of that study James Taylor references.

Hmmm...a good read also.

Posted 352 days ago.

mythravere

Please feel free to note how that is wrong.

Article titles for later searching will be GREATLY appreciated!

Posted 352 days ago.

mythravere

And then there is this.

"James Taylor, managing editor of The Heartland Institute’s Environment & Climate News, recently wrote a Forbes blog post about a new study of professional engineers and geoscientists involved in Alberta, Canada’s petroleum industry. According to the authors of the study, however, Taylor got most of the details in his post wrong, and Taylor has not corrected or retracted the blog post even though his errors have been pointed out to him. Furthermore, Taylor republished his deceptive and dishonest post at The Heartland Institute this morning, three days after the study’s authors corrected Taylor. Taylor has a made a habit of distorting scientific studies in the past – his new blog post is no different. ..."

Posted 352 days ago.

mythravere

Oh google this. James Taylor misinterprets study by 180 degrees.

A quote from that article.

"The APEGA survey is noteworthy for its exposure of the disparity between the views of engineers and geoscientists employed by petroleum companies, vs. the rest of the community of actively publishing climate and earth scientists. Denialism increased still further among the top-level oil and gas engineers. Although the cause behind this trend is unclear, it shows at the very least a correlation between ties to oil and gas and climate denial views. In no way does it undermine the strong agreement among publishing scientists that human-caused global warming is real and a problem."

Posted 352 days ago.

mythravere

God dang! LOL!

That Article was written by James Taylor who has ties with the Heartland Institute a CONSERVATIVE and libertarian "think" tank!

Oh no conflict of interest there!

Posted 352 days ago.

Tiredofit

One interesting aspect of this new survey is the unmistakably alarmist bent of the survey takers. They frequently use terms such as “denier” to describe scientists who are skeptical of an asserted global warming crisis, and they refer to skeptical scientists as “speaking against climate science” rather than “speaking against asserted climate projections.” Accordingly, alarmists will have a hard time arguing the survey is biased or somehow connected to the ‘vast right-wing climate denial machine.’. SOUND FAMILIAR?

Posted 352 days ago.

Tiredofit

Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis(Forbes). Good read,

Posted 352 days ago.

mythravere

R1KRA8=Tinfoilhat

I responded the way I did because of past posts directed at me on a personal level.

Posted 352 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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