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3 days ago.
by Kendall78
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

Adversarial:Involving or characterized by conflict or opposition or simply meaning opposed.

Posted 347 days ago.

Tiredofit

This is all of our world and we all have an absolutely equal interest in it. To asign my beliefs with some desire to destroy the planet is asinine at best. I have no oil holdings or coal reserves. There must be a reason I believe as I do when I too have children and grandchildren that must survive here. How could it be that I desire to destroy the earth for them? Well clearly I do not have such a desire.

Posted 347 days ago.

Tiredofit

And harry, who said this was adversarial?

Posted 347 days ago.

Tiredofit

My comments are about explaining my position and not necessarily designed to change anyone elses. To think so would one would have to believe there were those who would were not entrenched so deeply in thier own beliefs, that they might accept another point as being valid. I imagine your comments on your faith are not designed to convert out atheiest friend Myth, but rather to set your frame of reference.

Posted 347 days ago.

harryanderson

R1KRA8,

You bring up a good, relevant point. A sociopath may choose to play football only because he or she likes to hit people. In the same way, a sociopath may comment only to browbeat people.

That description doesn’t fit Tiredofit. Tiredofit clearly is no sociopath.

Posted 347 days ago.

harryanderson

“I have no interest in trying to change your mind”

I don’t understand that statement at all. If you’re not interested in persuading people, why step onto the field of adversarial discourse at all?

It’s like a football player who’s not interested in scoring a touchdown or field goal.

Posted 347 days ago.

Tiredofit

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H. L. Mencken

Posted 347 days ago.

Tiredofit

Believe as you will.

Posted 347 days ago.

Tiredofit

Its sarcasm, try to keep up. Look, you obviously are a true believer, I am not. Just as Harry has his religion, you have yours, I have no interest in trying to change your mind, any more than I would try to dissuade Harry from his views although I do point out the hypocrisy of parts of it.

Posted 347 days ago.

mythravere

"So you impeach the source because he is a Conservative like Harry???? I found it very interesting."

Oh gawd this gem! Ok would you make up your mind. Is Harry only a conservative when it is expedient to your cause for him to be one?

The truth is Harry IS a conservative. You on the other hand? I'm not sure what you are...one who conserves....thats debatable .

Posted 348 days ago.

mythravere

Now Tiredofit lol. Who is my source? The authors themselves! Did you just waltz right over the post where I mentioned them and one of them specifically?

And me mentioning of the soros linked site was me handing you the noose.

You latched straight onto that angle just like I thought you would.

In the very article you mentioned the author of the study took issue with Mr Taylor's "findings".

How you missed that is beyond me.

And you call me delusional? Ha!

This isn't the first time I have seen a righty reference that Forbes article. If you dont want to be called a denier I'd try finding conclusive information that refutes climate change science by using science.

Good luck with that.

Posted 348 days ago.

mythravere

First off. Kunnect there are natural phenomenon in play when it comes to the climatic changes this world is experiencing.

After all we are in an inter-glacial period right now. But natural causes can not account for all of the warming we are experiencing.

Posted 348 days ago.

harryanderson

BTW, Tiredofit,

If you care to read the actual paper, you'll find a link to it in the Forbes op-ed.

Posted 348 days ago.

harryanderson

Kunectdots:

Who is Easttexas51?

Posted 348 days ago.

Kunectdots

Easttexas51 wrote:

“The Canadian government has made several measurements since, which show that the North Magnetic Pole is moving continually northwestward. In 2001, an expedition located the pole at 81.3°N 110.8°W. In 2007, the latest survey found the pole at 83.95°N 120.72°W.[13] During the 20th century it moved 1100 km, and since 1970 its rate of motion has accelerated from 9 km/year to approximately 52 km/year”

"Just saying that it may not be just the rise of Co2 causing climate change. The north magnetic pole has moved over 1000 miles in my lifetime and the movement is accelerating. The Earth has experienced many pole reversals. Do you not think this might have some influence on climate? People seem to think that just because the Earth has had a certain look to it since recorded history, that it will always remain so. It won’t. Not unless you can control the Sun and all other natural forces."

AMEN!

Posted 348 days ago.

harryanderson

After comparing the actual paper to Mr. Taylor’s op-ed, it’s clear that Mr. Taylor misrepresented the findings by failing to inform his readers that the “scientists and engineers” sampled came from a carefully selected group with strong ties to the petroleum industry, and that the study aimed to sample that one industry.

I am surprised by one statistic here. The largest group of this obviously biased sample--36% --believe we should comply with the Kyoto Protocol. I would have thought that percentage would be much lower.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I found the study fascinating. Forget Forbes. Forget Thinkprogress. Go to the source.

Posted 348 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit,

These results don’t surprise me. I suggest you take an hour to read the actual paper. It’s interesting.

I’ll quote some key passages.

The research question was: “How do professional experts frame the reality of climate change and themselves as experts, while engaging in defensive institutional work against others?” (“defensive institutional work” being “the maintenance of institutions against disruptions.”)

“To address this, we reconstruct the frames of one group of experts who have not received much attention in previous research and yet play a central role in understanding industry responses – professional experts in petroleum and related industries.”

So, the survey deliberately chose an organization heavily laden with members of the petroleum industry. The survey included no climate scientists. 84% of the respondents were engineers, most of who were getting paid to extract oil and gas from the tar sands of Alberta and defend their companies.

Posted 348 days ago.

Tiredofit

And that brings us back to me claim that this is being used for peoples own agenda. You site none other than a George Soros supported site to refute my source, Surely we can agree that Mr Soros is a Socialist and avocates for Socialist policy with his billions?

Posted 348 days ago.

Tiredofit

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Posted 348 days ago.

Tiredofit

Man you are more delusional than I thought if you believe that.

Posted 348 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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