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by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Kendall78

"Climate is being made today."

Climate, like wetaher, is made everyday...just at varying speeds.

Posted 269 days ago.

Climate is being made today.lol

Posted 269 days ago.

Kendall78

I also see that the deniers are getting weather mixed up with climate again.

Make a deal with us, when the temperature is below average...go ahead and deny global warming. But when the temps are above average, you have to come on here and say global warming is happening. Because based on the method you determine claimate change with daily weather patterns, that is the only way you can be honest.

Posted 269 days ago.

Kendall78

"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s."

What evidence? Claiming there is evidence is not the same as providing it.

Posted 269 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit,

I’m very interested in your contention that climate scientists’ skew their findings in order to get grant money. I would like to investigate that further. Where should I look?

How many instances can you cite in which a scientist distorted his study in order to receive a grant?

And how did those studies pass peer review from other scientists who didn't receive the grants?

Posted 269 days ago.

mythravere

The only conclusion that can be drawn from the manner in which they lay their arguments out is that they are playing a us vs them political game.

Posted 269 days ago.

mythravere

I and the others who side with the scientists on this issue have laid out why we believe the scientists are correct.

We have put forth points for consideration as a means of giving those who do not believe the scientists a place to show why they are correct.

So far all we have seen is a tendency to attack those who actually do the work in regards to the science and to attack those who believe it with insults and accusations of hidden agendas etc.

No conclusive evidence has been put forth at all to support their positions.

Posted 269 days ago.

mythravere

Looking at the psychology of why an individual would consistently stand behind a position when they can not offer evidence of the correctness of that position is another point of debate on this issue.

Posted 269 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit and the folks like him have in front of them a table full of evidence that shows that man is the cause of the climate warming up.

But they take one thing like grant money and use that to essentially wipe all the evidence off the table. Without providing a shred of proof themselves that all of the information pertaining to mankind's role in climate change can be disregarded solely because the whole reason for the scientists saying that man is the cause is strictly because they are seeking grant money.

Where is the proof of that.

Whats also interesting is that even if one isolated case of that is found they will in turn dismiss the whole body of evidence because of that one case.

That right there is utter dishonesty.

Posted 269 days ago.

mythravere

Oh I forgot to mention something.

What evidence has been put forth by the skeptics that has been proven to be right?

Posted 269 days ago.

mythravere

You see its not about the facts but about resisting any and all positions their political opponents take.

Posted 269 days ago.

mythravere

But to be honest I think there has been a shift from large energy companies (mainly oil producers in my opinion) who take that position. They are more accepting of the facts surrounding climate change.

But what's happened is that the doubt they have sown has taken hold in certain political circles that have an extreme tendency of once a position is taken on a subject they maintain that position regardless of the facts.

That'd be the group you call home tiredofit.

Posted 269 days ago.

mythravere

Well you know there is this thing called physical evidence that the scientists have the points to them being right.

The skeptics on the other hand have well monied backers who have a vested interest in the world's energy portfolio staying reliant on the energy they provide.

Posted 269 days ago.

harryanderson

It’s very cold in the Eastern and Central US, but that’s not representative of anthropogenic climate change.

Elsewhere…

“Temperatures in parts of Australia are set to reach almost 50C in the coming days, with total fire bans in place in northern regions of South Australia and a week-long heatwave enveloping Queensland.”

w ww.theguardian.co m/weather/2014/jan/02/heatwave-temperatures-climb-towards-50c

50C=122F

But that’s not representative of climate trends, either. In order to make a statement about climate trends, you must have a…

…trend.

Posted 270 days ago.

mythravere

Next easily debunkable point please.

Posted 270 days ago.

mythravere

For the love of all that is holy you are spewing bull crap.

A quick search shows the truth on Mr Evans.

Wonder how much money the Heartland Institute paid him to make a presentation for them?

Posted 270 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit has posted another in his long series of untrue statements, “…NOAA predicted a VERY active hurricane season as a result of Climate change.”

The NOAA Atlantic hurricane forecast for 2013, issued in May, didn’t mention climate change as a factor.

“Three climate factors that strongly control Atlantic hurricane activity are expected to come together to produce an active or extremely active 2013 hurricane season. These are:

• A continuation of the atmospheric climate pattern, which includes a strong west African monsoon, that is responsible for the ongoing era of high activity for Atlantic hurricanes that began in 1995; • • Warmer-than-average water temperatures in the tropical Atlantic Ocean and Caribbean Sea; and • El Niño is not expected to develop and suppress hurricane formation.”

ww w.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2013/20130523_hurricaneoutlook_atlantic.html

Posted 270 days ago.

harryanderson

“I don't know anyone who thinks one day represents climate.”

So we agree. The weather at a particular time and place doesn’t represent global climate change.

Posted 270 days ago.

I don't know anyone who thinks one day represents climate. But it is part of climate. An unusually cold spell means the average will likely go down. Even our mathematically challenged Warmer can figure that out.

Posted 270 days ago.

harryanderson

Ithink,

You ask why we distinguish between weather and climate, and write, “This cold weather will be averaged in and called climate.”

Thanks for asking. I’m happy to clear this up for you.

Climate scientists generally consider a 30-year weather pattern a climate trend. That’s about 11,000 days averaged in. So the weather on a particular day represents a minuscule 1/11,000 of the average, and is therefore hardly representative of the climate.

Look at it this way. I decide to turn my cornfield into a hayfield. When I sow it, a few oats get mixed in with the rye, fescue, and clover. One seed out of 11,000 is oats. Later, a guy wants to buy some oats for his horses. I want to sell him my hay. If I tell him I have a field of oats, I would be misrepresenting my hayfield.

In the same way, if we say that one day’s weather represents climate, we’re misrepresenting the climate.

Posted 270 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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