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50 minutes ago.
by Ohwiseone
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

So, Tiredofit, are you questioning the poll's methodology, and claiming the sample isn't representative of Americans?

Posted 126 days ago.

Kendall78

"there are some out there that claim.."

To be aliens? Fair and balanced? Global Warming is real? Obama is a good President? Obama is a bad Presidet?

This game could go on and on but in the end, what people claim and what people can prove is all that matters.

Posted 126 days ago.

harryanderson

The fact that the 63% figure seems improbable may testify to the outsize representation the media gives to the counter climate change movement.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Posted 126 days ago.

harryanderson

Actually, Tiredofit, I also found the 63% figure hard to believe.

After looking over the poll numbers and methods, however, I see no obvious error.

Posted 126 days ago.

harryanderson

63% of those who identified as Republicans, which were 24% of all.

24% of the respondents said they were Republican, which agrees with the Gallup results.

Think about it.

Posted 126 days ago.

harryanderson

Yes. You did miss something.

Look at the Washington Post/ABC poll again. Note that 70% of all respondents agree the Feds should take action.

Posted 126 days ago.

harryanderson

Here's how:

The percentage of respondents who identified As Republican--24--is consistent with the percentage of Americans who identify as Republican--25, according to a Gallup poll published this year.

/w ww.gallup.co m/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx

Posted 126 days ago.

harryanderson

So Republican Christine Todd Whitman says, "We have a scientific consensus around this issue."

and 63% of Republicans back Federal action to limit greenhouse gases.

I'm thankful for the Republican pragmatists who are now speaking out. It's time for us "silent majority" Republicans to take back our party from the noisy crowd that gets all the press coverage.

Posted 127 days ago.

harryanderson

So Republican Christine Todd Whitman says, "We have a scientific consensus around this issue."

and 63% of Republicans back Federal action to limit greenhouse gases.

I'm thankful for the Republican pragmatists who are now speaking out. It's time for us "silent majority" Republicans to take back our party from the noisy crowd that gets all the press coverage.

Posted 127 days ago.

harryanderson

And, as previously mentioned, most Americans, even 63% of Republicans, according to a recent Washington Post-ABC News poll, The poll asked, "...think the federal government should limit the release of greenhouse gases from existing power plants in an effort to reduce global warming."

w ww.washingtonpost.c om/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/06/02/National-Politics/Polling/release_346.xml

Posted 127 days ago.

harryanderson

"Top environmental regulators for four Republican presidents told Congress on Wednesday what many Republican lawmakers won't: Action is needed on global warming."

w ww.usatoday.c om/story/news/nation/2014/06/18/gop-epa-congress-climate/10765747/

"'We have a scientific consensus around this issue. We also need a political consensus,' said Christine Todd Whitman, the former New Jersey Governor and first EPA administrator under President George W. Bush, who resigned her post after disagreeing with the White House's direction on pollution rules."

Posted 127 days ago.

harryanderson

I predict this popular support for the new rules will erode under the propaganda campaign already unleashed by the Counter Climate Change Movement.

Sen. Paul has called the new rule "illegal."

Sen. McConnell has called it "an end run around Congress."

Rep, David McKinley, in his press release, spoke of Obama "circumvent(ing) Congress."

Of course they misspeak, since the Supreme Court ruled on the legality of this move before Obama even became President. The SC said the EPA has the authority under the Clean Air Act.

The propaganda and lies are already flying. If past is prelude, they will change public perception,

But they can't change the laws of physics. That's why Heartland honcho Joe Bast may boast of winning the policy and opinion debates, but lament being frustrated by the scientific debate.

Posted 142 days ago.

harryanderson

Here's something interesting: Monday, as the EPA announced a new plan to limit CO2 emissions from coal-fired power plants, a new Washington Post-ABC poll was published,

The poll asked, "Do you think the federal government should or should not limit the release of greenhouse gases from existing power plants in an effort to reduce global warming?"

70% of all respondants, and even 63% of Republicans, answered that the Feds should.

w ww.washingtonpost.c om/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/06/02/National-Politics/Polling/release_346.xml

Only 31% of Republicans said they shouldn't, More than twice as many Republicans support this action as oppose it.

Posted 142 days ago.

Kendall78

More deflection from Tired...how shocking.

Posted 147 days ago.

harryanderson

Me, too. The weekend after a holiday is my favorite. Have a good time, and we'll see you when you come back out to play.

Posted 147 days ago.

harryanderson

But I guess you gotta do something desperate when you can't change your mind and less than 3/4 of one percent of the 12,000 papers under consideration agree with you.

In other words, when the scientific debate over global warming is of enormous frustration to you, you gotta change the subject to a scientific debate over creation.

Posted 147 days ago.

harryanderson

Exactly,'Kendall. Tiredofit repeats this pattern over and over. When his arguments come into question, he tries to change the subject.

Posted 147 days ago.

harryanderson

Exactly,'Kendall. Tiredofit repeats this pattern over and over. When his arguments come into question, he tries to change the subject.

Posted 147 days ago.

Kendall78

"So as you avoid the obvious hypocrisy in your argument,"

I think he is trying to avoid the obvious attempt by you at deflection.

Posted 147 days ago.

Kendall78

"as we all pick and choose whats "science" we believe.."

The problem with this is that you don't give science much at all. You give opinions of other and appeal to authority.

Posted 147 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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