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96 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Kendall78

"What you or I believe can happen has no bearing on what IS happening.."

True but all you care about is what you believe and nothing about facts.

So is it logical to assume that the current dominant species on the planet has the ability to effect the planet's climate?

I mean, if you are completely ignorant on the possibilities, you can just admit that.

Posted 275 days ago.

Kunectdots

Marilyn vos Savant posted, in her May 3, 2015 national commentary, that there are reasons other than ice cap melt for which to attribute the cause of rising sea levels. She suggests that our pulling up of groundwater, with subsequent losses back into the oceans (evaporation and runoff) accounts for 42% of the rise in sea level. The warming of ocean water (causing it to expand) is responsible for nearly an additional 50% of the oceans rise, she surmises.

I would think that are declining water tables would be as alarming as the threat of global warming to nation-states. Nations that have the material wherewithal to do so should be considering the construction of solar powered desalinization plants and the cessation of funding for programs that support the runaway human population growth around the planet.

I KNOW! I KNOW! The Democrats would have a tough time supporting that last one.

Posted 277 days ago.

Kendall78

Thank you for agreeing with us that the oceans absorb heat.

Now then, do you believe that the dominant species of our world has the ability to effect climate?

Posted 277 days ago.

harryanderson

Hello, Kendall. Glad to see you back here.

Of course the oceans absorb heat. No reasonable person could dispute that. Here’s a brief explanation:

“Not only do the oceans cover more than 2/3 of the Earth's surface, they also absorb more sunlight and store more heat. Additionally the oceans retain heat longer. The Sun's rays also penetrate the oceans to a depth of many meters, but only heat up the top layer of the sand or soil.”

htt p://ww w.ucmp.berkeley.edu/education/dynamic/session4/sess4_act3.htm

And “Ocean temperatures around the world are steadily creeping upward, according to a new study from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.”

htt p://ww w.scpr.or g/news/2015/02/02/49566/world-s-oceans-steadily-heating-up-new-study-finds/

Posted 279 days ago.

harryanderson

I’ll repeat the quote I put up before.

“Climate researchers look to longer term trends to determine warming, as there is too much natural variability within any given year. And that long-term trend is unequivocal (see NASA chart below): The world has now gone 30 consecutive years — 360 straight months — where every month has been above the 20th century average, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.”

htt p://ww w.factcheck.o rg/2015/03/cruz-on-the-global-cooling-myth-and-galileo/

And I’ll add this, from the same fact check: “Nine of the 10 hottest years on record have occurred since 2000, with 1998 the only exception.”

Posted 279 days ago.

Kendall78

Stillthere, do you believe that the oceans absorb heat? Yes or no

Posted 279 days ago.

Kendall78

Actually stillthere, I was merely using your flawed premise to show how utterly stupid it is.

Global warming hasn't stopped but to only those that do not understand rational thinking.

Posted 279 days ago.

harryanderson

The Steven Goddard piece says that in 1976, the outlier climatologists mentioned "(could) offer no scientific proof to back up their theories that the earth (was) cooling."

Now, in 2015, the few outlier climatologists who claim the earth isn't heating up can offer no scientific proof to back up their theories.

But, as I pointed out, the earth is warming, to wit:

1. The oceans are absorbing a lot of the excess heat.

2. Surface temperatures continue to rise. 2000-2010 is the hottest decade recorded, 13 of the warmest years have come in the last 15, 2014 was most likely the warmest ever, according to NASA, and “the long-time warming trend is unequivocal.”

I suggest the 2015 scientific studies I cited should carry more weight 1976 opinions backed up by no scientific studies.

Posted 279 days ago.

harryanderson

Global warming has not stopped, as I pointed out. However, the rate of warming at the earth’s surface has slowed down, but it continues to rise.

That’s the surface. New 2015 studies suggest that over 90% of the heat from global warming is going in the ocean

(htt p://ww w.scpr.or g/news/2015/02/02/49566/world-s-oceans-steadily-heating-up-new-study-finds/),

and that “the forces behind the supposed hiatus are natural— and temporary — ocean processes that may already changing course.”

(*******e360.yale.edu/feature/how_long_can_oceans_continue_to_absorb_earths_excess_heat/2860/).

As to those who ask what the “correct” temperature is: “Most scientists concur that two degrees C of warming above the temperature during preindustrial time would harm all sectors of civilization—food, water, health, land, national security, energy and economic prosperity.”

ht tp://w ww.scientificamerican.co m/article/earth-will-cross-the-climate-danger-threshold-by-2036/

Posted 279 days ago.

Kunectdots

"40 Years Since Climatologists Blamed California Drought On Global Cooling"

h ttps://stevengoddard.wordpress.c om/2015/05/03/40-years-since-climatologists-blamed-california-drought-on-global-cooling/

Posted 279 days ago.

Kendall78

A small city has a murder rate of one death per year. The next year it's two murders and the next year it is three murders. This increase keeps going for decades and then stops increasing and holds at 25 murders a year. 18 years later guy comes along and says there is no murder problem since there has been no further increase. Is he wise or stupid?

Posted 280 days ago.

Kendall78

It's cute how ppl who mention the last 18 years never mention the climate reverting back to the way it was prior...oh that's right...it hasn't.

Posted 280 days ago.

harryanderson

“This analysis shows that 13 of the warmest years have occurred in the past 15 years. Alternately, one could say that 12 of the warmest years came in the last 13.”

h ttp://ww w.politifact.c om/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/feb/15/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-12-hottest-years-record-have-com/

The decade from 2000-2010 was the warmest on record.

ht tp://ww w.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100728_stateoftheclimate.html

Climate researchers look to longer term trends to determine warming, as there is too much natural variability within any given year. And that long-term trend is unequivocal (see NASA chart below): The world has now gone 30 consecutive years — 360 straight months — where every month has been above the 20th century average, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.”

htt p://ww w.factcheck.o rg/2015/03/cruz-on-the-global-cooling-myth-and-galileo/

A complete, non-cherry-picked look at the data shows clearly warming hasn’t stopped.

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

They cherry-pick 1998 as their starting point.

Those who accept the conclusions of almost every climate scientist don’t have to cherry-pick their data, but if they did:

“It would be just as easy, however, to pick out much cooler years as a starting point to show a sharp increase in temperatures. Starting one year earlier or later — at 1997 (0.46 degrees above the 20th century average) or 1999 (0.41 degrees) — would yield between one-fifth and one-quarter of a degree of warming. This would represent as much as 31 percent of all warming the world has seen since 1880, when record keeping began.

“Choosing 1997 or 1999 as a starting point, however, would be just as misleading as choosing 1998.”

htt p://w ww.factcheck.or g/2015/03/cruz-on-the-global-cooling-myth-and-galileo/

Posted 282 days ago.

harryanderson

“Now the fact is the average weather is not warning ergo the climate isn't either.”

That statement isn’t true.

“(Rep. Lamar Smith) mentioned an oft-repeated claim that there has been a ‘lack of global warming over the past 15 years.’ Though the rate of warming has slowed, the world does indeed continue to warm, and cherry-picked data underlie the claims that warming has stopped.”

h ttp://w ww.factcheck.or g/2015/04/the-extreme-weather-warming-connection/

Posted 282 days ago.

Kendall78

Rush and Hannity are idiots on this topic. On their radio shows they can't even tell the difference between weather and climate.

Posted 284 days ago.

harryanderson

Like I pointed out 5 days ago, John Thune asks what we’re going to do about it and Heartland editor Justin Haskins declares the “real debate” involves discussing the “validity of solutions.”

As Haskins said, “The real debate is not whether man is, in some way, contributing to climate change; it’s true that the science is settled on that point in favor of the alarmists.”

Posted 300 days ago.

harryanderson

According to a Duke study, many conservatives fear accepting the scientific consensus on climate change because they fear the proposed solutions.

Lead author Troy Campbell said, “In other words, does what we call 'solution aversion' exist? We found the answer is yes. And we found it occurs in response to some of the most common solutions for popularly discussed problems."

ht tp://today.duke.edu/2014/11/solutionaversion

Conservatives were shown evidence that the temperature would rise, then asked to look at two proposed solutions: one that emphasized taxing and one that emphasized empowering the free market. Of the first group, only 22% believed the evidence. Of the second, 55% believed.

We shouldn’t let fear of big-government liberal solutions blind us to facts. If we do, we cede the issue to the socialists. This is critical. We need to fight for conservative solutions to real problems.

Posted 300 days ago.

harryanderson

Ohwiseone,

My post wasn't directed at anyone in particular; I was making a general observation.

Posted 304 days ago.

harryanderson

The Haskins quote comes from humanevents.co m/2014/12/24/a-conservatives-case-for-global-warming/

Indeed. Prominent Republicans are ignoring the anti-science propaganda and focusing on solutions.

Thune asks what we’re going to do about it and Haskins declares the “real debate” involves discussing the “validity of solutions.”

That’s exactly what I’ve been saying here. Take global warming out of the childish political wars and debate responses to it.

Posted 305 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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