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11 hours ago.
by Stillhere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

You ask if the hockey stick graph is inaccurate, but you already cited strong evidence that it is.

As you quoted, the hockey stick graph "was supported by more than two dozen reconstructions, using various statistical methods and combinations of proxy records."

Posted 78 days ago.

harryanderson

Since 2/3 of my fellow Republicans and Republican-leaning independents agree it's beneficial to reduce our fossil fuel use, I've moved on to figuring out how best to do that.

Posted 78 days ago.

harryanderson

I knew you'd reject the 43 papers without looking at them.

Posted 78 days ago.

harryanderson

I'm on to solutions.

Posted 78 days ago.

harryanderson

"If the rate of warming is unprecedented as you state, that would be some level of proof that something is different about this warming trend, Please show where this data is"

Here's a list of 43 scientific papers showing the recent warming is unprecedented in the last 2000 years.

en.wikipedia****/wiki/List_of_large-scale_temperature_reconstructions_of_the_last_2,000_years

I know you won't bother to look at this scientific data, since you've said it's not a scientific debate.

Posted 78 days ago.

Kendall78

"how was this data gathered from 12000 years ago"

It must have came from the same place that told you what didn't happen back then..haha.

Posted 78 days ago.

Kendall78

"TELL ME WHERE"

You mean after all these years...after all the times people have shown you...you have no idea where to look up the info or how?

Are you that stupid? I mean really..are you that mentally deficient?

Posted 78 days ago.

Kendall78

@Harry- you know Tired won't accept that. It doesn't fall into his view of the world.

He'll probably say it's all political and the govt is making NASA say those things.

Of course ignoring the times that he used NASA for his own arguments.

He won't give an alternative explanation for why the temps are going up, he'll simple say what he believes is not causing it and smile stupidly like he accomplished something.

Posted 78 days ago.

Kendall78

"what was the rate 12000 years ago and where did you find tha data"

Oh Tired, have you gathered your info on what didn't cause something to happen thousands of years ago yet?

We would love to see how you have proven a negative :)

Posted 78 days ago.

harryanderson

Again, I cite scientific testimony as evidence.

"Scientists note that there are two new and different twists to today's changing climate: (1) The globe is warming at a faster rate than it ever has before; and (2) Humans are the main reason Earth is warming."

science.nasa.gov/earth-science/big-questions/is-the-global-earth-system-changing-and-what-are-the-consequences/

Posted 78 days ago.

Kendall78

Tired..is this your style of debate....just posting partial phrases to bury the fact you have never offered any scientific or literary proof for your position?

Posted 78 days ago.

Kendall78

"as long as I don't respond"

The point of debating is to exchange ideas. With you, intelligent converse is impossible. You do not discuss, you gibber.

Posted 78 days ago.

harryanderson

"the best experts money can buy"

I don't believe the vast majority of climate scientists have lied in order to get government grants.

Posted 78 days ago.

harryanderson

Another form of solid evidence is statistics. And the statistics show that the earth has warmed at an unprecedented rate since mankind began increasing the amount of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Posted 78 days ago.

harryanderson

Speaking of evidence, Tiredofit: Plenty of evidence has been provided here.

Expert testimony is solid evidence. The vast majority of the experts testify that anthropogenic CO2 is warming the planet.

You testify that anthropogenic CO2 isn't warming the planet.

I choose to believe the experts instead of you. It's that simple.

Posted 78 days ago.

Kendall78

"show proof to those that might be reading this if not for me"

Does that mean you won't respond in any way to the evidence?

Posted 78 days ago.

Kendall78

Why repeat what I said while I made fun of you? It hardly shows me to being atheist. I really do hope you drop off your ignorance.

Posted 78 days ago.

mythravere

Ok. Showing proof is a two way street.

I'll show proof if you will show proof that your position is right.

If you are honestly wanting to have this debate then it should be no problem for you to produce that evidence.

If you don't then that just further demonstrates that you aren't in this to find and disseminate understanding.

Posted 78 days ago.

mythravere

We haven't expressed beliefs in the way you are implying. We also haven't expressed feelings.

We have shared what we BELIEVE to be the facts that support the truth that we believe in.

Posted 78 days ago.

harryanderson

Sorry, Tiredofit,

I won't be lured into your game of childish insults.

A majority of Republicans say we should reduce our use of fossil fuels, a very large majority of the experts in the field accept the science, and at least one great conservative free-market fix has been proposed. That's enough for me.

If it's not enough for you, so be it. It's a free country. I'm okay with that.

Posted 78 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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