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harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Kendall78

@Harry, "I’ve never compared you to a holocaust denier"

I've never compared Tired to one either, just compared his tactics as a denier to another type of well known denier. It would be nice to see him actually answer the question but he'll probably make up some reason not to answer you too.

Posted 227 days ago.

mythravere

Oh yea I did that once. Couples of times?

Hey tiredofit as part of a therapeutic maybe you should stretch on some silly putty instead of the truth?

Posted 227 days ago.

mythravere

OH for the love of all that is holy.

"The phrase holocaust denier and witch burner has been tossed at me a couple of times. "

WOW! This is hilarious. You can't even cite comments made toward you in a factual way.

It was I who said that.

As to the holocaust denier claim. I did not call you a holocaust denier. I compared your mentality with those that ALLOWED the holocaust to happen.

I also COMPARED your MENTALITY to the mentality of those that burned supposed witches at the stake.

Jesus H Christ!

Posted 227 days ago.

harryanderson

1/15/14 Tiredofit, I’ve never compared you to a holocaust denier, but I’d like to know, too. Do you agree with the following?

1. "We all agree that temperature has increased since 1800."

2. "We all agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas."

3. "there’s hardly anyone serious who says that man has no role. And in many ways, those have never been the questions. The questions have always been, as they ought to be in science, how much?"

Posted 227 days ago.

Kendall78

"The lack of maturity is when one chooses to compare someone who doesn't believe as they do to a holocaust denier."

Would you be offended if I compared your tactics to a Armenian Holocaust denier?

Oh, I don't need or desire your respect. I simply asked for you to give a simple yes or no response but you seem quite cowardly to give one.

Posted 227 days ago.

Kendall78

As for Dr. Spencer, I like his approach to all this. He has his educated opinion on the topic yet seems to advocate that everyone should keep an open mind as well. To get a better understanding of climate change, we need more data than we currently have. That's good science in any case.

The end result is roughly the same. If mankind isn't causing climate change through our use of fossil fuels, then there is nothing we can do about it.

If mankind is effecting the climate through our use, then it makes sense to develop newer and cleaner forms of energy. It doesn't hurt us to do this in a responsible manner. Sometimes I think their are those that are simply afriad that some govt organization is simply going to turn everything off which is a chicken little kind of fear.

Posted 227 days ago.

Tiredofit

So enjoy your conversation with yourself Kendall

Posted 227 days ago.

Tiredofit

The lack of maturity is when one chooses to compare someone who doesn't believe as they do to a holocaust denier. That shows a complete lack of ethics and credibility. It also identifies one as a person I have no respect for and feel no need to answer questions posed by them.

Posted 227 days ago.

Kendall78

“You will see this break down on party lines pretty quickly…”

A not so clever way of dismissing any opposition. Too bad it doesn't work since I am a Moderate Conservative and not Liberal.

Posted 227 days ago.

Kendall78

"The Drama queen is the one who chooses such terms, that would be YOU"

Translation: "I am rubber you are glue, your words bounce off me and stick to you"

Very mature Tired, keep it up. Oh, in case you forgot, do you agree with the following:

1. "We all agree that temperature has increased since 1800."

2. "We all agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas."

3. "there’s hardly anyone serious who says that man has no role. And in many ways, those have never been the questions. The questions have always been, as they ought to be in science, how much?"

Posted 227 days ago.

Tiredofit

It does not lend credibility to you or your argument to use such terms.

Posted 227 days ago.

Tiredofit

The Drama queen is the one who chooses such terms, that would be YOU

Posted 227 days ago.

harryanderson

“You will see this break down on party lines pretty quickly…”

Not by me. I won’t let my political preferences affect my willingness to accept or reject physical evidence.

Posted 227 days ago.

Kendall78

"You will see this break down on party lines pretty quickly and the emotion behind it is pretty scary at times. The phrase holocaust denier and witch burner has been tossed at me a couple of times."

Don't forget drama queen. You've been called that too.

The reasons for the comparisson to a holocaust denier was the methods you both tend to use. This has been explained multiple times already but just as a holocaust denier, you simply ignore facts as they are given to you.

Posted 227 days ago.

harryanderson

Anderogg, et. al., whom I cited previously, wrote, “we have likely compiled the strongest and most credentialed researchers in CE (convinced by the evidence) and UE (unconvinced by the evidence) groups. Citation and publication analyses must be treated with caution in inferring scientific credibility, but we suggest that our methods and our expertise and prominence criteria provide conservative, robust, and relevant indicators of relative credibility of CE and UE groups of climate researchers.”

I agree. Publishing in peer-reviewed journals and being cited in them enhance an author’s credibility.

Posted 227 days ago.

Tiredofit

You will see this break down on party lines pretty quickly and the emotion behind it is pretty scary at times. The phrase holocaust denier and witch burner has been tossed at me a couple of times. Now it was explained that they were not actually calling me those things but the choice of words shows the disdain or at least I think so.

Posted 227 days ago.

Tiredofit

I don't think very many people doubt the climate has warmed since the last ice age. The discussion is not about that.

Posted 227 days ago.

Tiredofit

Believe it or not, very little research has ever been funded to search for natural mechanisms of warming NOT much funding to be had for that particular way of thinking. Welcome to the discussion LTS.

Posted 227 days ago.

luvthesouth

anthropogenic (human-caused) pollution. But they’re not going to find something if they don’t search for it."

it is an interesting site with information that may add to everyones discussion.

Posted 227 days ago.

luvthesouth

global-average temperature increase that has been observed over the last one hundred years or more. But to many politicians and the public, the term carries the implication that mankind is responsible for that warming. This website describes evidence from my group’s government-funded research that suggests global warming is mostly natural, and that the climate system is quite insensitive to humanity’s greenhouse gas emissions and aerosol pollution.

Believe it or not, very little research has ever been funded to search for natural mechanisms of warming…it has simply been assumed that global warming is manmade. This assumption is rather easy for scientists since we do not have enough accurate global data for a long enough period of time to see whether there are natural warming mechanisms at work.

The United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) claims that the only way they can get their computerized climate models to produce the observed warming is with anthrop

Posted 227 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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