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3 hours ago.
by JoeBlow
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

Also, I am not anti-science. I don’t deny science. I don’t think it’s a “hoax.” I think it’s incomplete on many things, including climate science.

As an aside, I think God means science to be incomplete. I doubt God will give sinful humans complete scientific knowledge. They would use it for evil. In the Tower of Babel incident, God scrambled languages so that people wouldn’t learn how to build a tower to heaven. God said, “…now nothing they propose will be withheld from them.”

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

You write, “I have the same right to doubt as you.” Of course you do, and, when you post here, I might question your doubts. I give you the right to question my doubts.

I’ve given reasons for my doubts. Will you give reasons for yours? Again, what is the source of your beliefs?

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

Once again, I didn't call you anti-science or anything. Earlier, you cited the title of this thread. Read it again. It says, "the anti-science propaganda campaign."

If you're in that anti-science propaganda campaign, it's because you chose to go there. I didn't put you there.

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

“Explain why you reject science when it does not fit your preconceptions.”

It’s not my preconceptions. It’s what the Bible says.

I repeat. I believe the Bible over scientists.

Any preconceptions I may have come later. And believing worldwide conspiracy theories comes later still. That’s the so-called corner into which I’ve backed myself.

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

Correction time. I wrote, "Would you care to that with us?"

It should read, "Would you care to share that with us?"

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

“You deny science by your own admission its faith, if I deny science, its conspiracy and propaganda.” (sic)

For the first part of that, my faith. Yes, my faith in the Bible does cause me to reject science that contradicts the Bible, or, to state my position more accurately, to consider such scientific knowledge incomplete.

Now for the second part, or you rejecting science. Let’s assume you’re like me, and you have a faith or system of beliefs that causes you to reject the science of climate change. Would you care to that with us?

After all, I have gladly and repeatedly stated where my beliefs come from. What is the source of your belief?

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

I don't feel there's a conspiracy against people like me. If I such a crazy thought tried to enter my mind, I'd remind myself what God says: "No weapon formed against you shall prosper."

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

Are you saying you don't think there is a scientific hoax involving many scientists conspiring together? I'll admit that my memory may faulty. Please clarify your position.

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

“Do tell Harry how only YOU can tell which science is good and which is faulty.”

I’ve made it clear. The Bible tells me what science is good and what science is faulty.

Later.

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

Your idea that thousands of scientists are conspiring against people like you is vain (in the sense of unproductive) and irrational.

I gotta go now. We'll continue later if you like.

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

The question isn't valid because it's based on this false premise: "call(ing) ME a denier or an anti science propagandist..."

I called you nothing. Again, I attacked your position, not you.

Restate the question, removing the false premise, and I will be glad to answer it.

You wrote, "You see, it's not personal..." I agree it shouldn't be. So remove the false personal premise from the question to make it valid, and I will answer it.

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

correction on the last phrase of the last post. It should read like this:

where the Bible says we we “have not been given a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.”

Posted 489 days ago.

harryanderson

In the first place, I didn’t call YOU anything. I went after your POSITION.

As far as “com(ing) down off my high horse,” no thanks.

Been there, done that.

I don’t care to go back down where peoples’ vain imaginations cause them to “resent being condescended to,” where people have irrational fears of worldwide political conspiracies, and where people can’t tell the difference between an attack on one’s position and an attack on one’s person.

I’d rather see you come up here on what you misguidedly call my “high horse,” where we “have not been given a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.”

Posted 489 days ago.

Harry, I know republicans, you are no republican. lol You are more like a prima donna.

Your religion is your business. In America, we don't force our religion on others.

Posted 490 days ago.

harryanderson

Furthermore, I will continue to expose distortions of fact and irrational thinking posted here. How others respond is up to them. I don’t care. Actually their name-calling shows they lack a sound basis for their beliefs. Had they a sound basis, they probably wouldn’t revert to name-calling.

And I will call myself a Republican, and register to vote as one, whether others like it or not. Again, I don’t care. Only I have authority over that, and others cannot, because I call myself a Republican, coerce or shame me into believing anthropogenic global climate change is a political conspiracy.

I believe God made Adam because God says so. God doesn’t say anthropogenic climate change is a political conspiracy, and I don’t choose to believe it is. Nothing fraudulent about that. If others think it is, I don’t care.

Posted 490 days ago.

harryanderson

I am not a fraud. I understand why some would think so, but it’s not true.

It’s not true because I sincerely believe that one should live by “every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.” I sincerely believe that one should “let this mind be in you that was in Jesus.” That includes whatever thought comes into my mind, political or otherwise.

Again, I choose to believe God whenever God speaks on a subject. When God doesn't speak on a subject, I choose to use the sound mind that God has given me. I will not “hide (my) lamp under a basket.” Even if my voice could be stilled, the words that I quote from the Bible cannot.

If the contrast between others’ words and mine makes them feel that they’ve been condescended to or makes them feel wronged (talk about playing the victim!), it comes from their vain imaginations, not from my words.

Posted 490 days ago.

harryanderson

"Some of us do not care to hear about your religion."

That's it!

Posted 490 days ago.

Harry, there are plenty of religious forums where religious discussions are in their proper place. This is a political forum.

Some of us do not care to hear about your religion. Worship as you please but leave me out of it.

And if you didn't worship at the feet of the climate fraud bunch, and other liberal hogwash, myth would take your head off for talking about Jesus fairy tales.

Posted 490 days ago.

harryanderson

I choose to believe God whenever God speaks on a subject. When God doesn't speak on a subject, I choose to use the sound mind that God has given me.

For that I am called names and reviled.

I choose not to revile in return. I choose not to return evil for evil. I choose not to take it personally.

After all, Jesus said, “The world cannot hate you; but it hates me, because I testify of it, that its works are evil.”

Jesus is no fraud. and his words require no interpretation.

Posted 490 days ago.

Bravo,Tiredofit !!!

Harry, I am fine with God. The problem is people making unwelcome interpretations of His holy words. It almost seems like sacrilege.

Posted 490 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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