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3 days ago.
by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Tiredofit

Woe now, lets not change the subject just yet, I would like you to admit or deny that there is no basis to claim 97% of scientists say greenhouse gas is changing climate.

Posted 195 days ago.

harryanderson

I don’t know what you mean by “current theory.” Since you concede that 97% of the climate scientists surveyed agreed man has a “significant role in climate change,” what activities of mankind do you think cause that change?

Posted 195 days ago.

Tiredofit

But there is no evidence of 97% right.

Posted 195 days ago.

harryanderson

That’s a reasonable comment, luvthesouth. I’ve always said that it’s a solvable engineering problem.

Posted 195 days ago.

harryanderson

“…there is nothing to support 97% of scientists agree that greenhouse gas is changing our climate.”

I don’t want to make a claim of a specific percentage of climate scientists who agree that greenhouse gas is warming the earth, since, to my knowledge, no studies have backed that up.

However, the quote from the Weekly Standard is consistent with a high percentage.

Again, it said, “Essentially everybody agrees.”

Posted 195 days ago.

Tiredofit

I agree that 75 of 77 self described climate experts (per question #9) said man had significant role in climate change, if you concede that greenhouse gas was not even mentioned. So therefore there is no basis for saying this study supports current theory.

Posted 195 days ago.

luvthesouth

some interesting numbers concerning CO2. currently it is estimated that the worlds forests absorb 40-50% of the worlds total man-made extra CO2 produced by burning carbon based fuels. although what we produce is a small percentage compared to what the earth naturally produces, the extra CO2 that we produce can't be totally absorbed naturally. if the numbers are correct then it is evident that we either need to increase the number of trees, reduce our carbon output or choose a variant of both. personally i choose the latter if not for any reason other than i like trees.

Posted 195 days ago.

Tiredofit

Ok so to recap, there is nothing to support 97% of scientists agree that greenhouse gas is changing our climate?

Posted 195 days ago.

harryanderson

On CO2,

As Kendall pointed out earlier...

...even Richard Lindzen, whom the arch-conservative Weekly Standard gleefully dubbed the “all-around scourge of James Hansen, Bill McKibben, Al Gore, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and sundry other climate ‘alarmists,’” is convinced anthropogenic CO2 warms the earth.

The Weekly Standard reports:

“The burning of oil, gas, and especially coal pumps carbon dioxide and other gases into the atmosphere, where they allow the sun’s heat to penetrate to the Earth’s surface but impede its escape, thus causing the lower atmosphere and the Earth’s surface to warm. Essentially everybody, Lindzen included, agrees.”

htt p://ww w.weeklystandard.co m/articles/what-catastrophe_773268.html?page=1

Essentially everybody agrees.

Essentially everybody agrees.

Posted 195 days ago.

harryanderson

You’re right. It seems I need to read my own statements more carefully before attempting to answer!

I need to amend my later statement so that it’s consistent with the earlier, and write, “I’ve cited 2 studies to support my contention that 97% of climate scientists agree man’s activities are altering the climate.”

Greenhouse gases are another issue. Do you now wish to go into whether CO2 and some other gases, when added to ambient air, trap heat? We can do that if you like.

Posted 195 days ago.

Tiredofit

Wow

Posted 195 days ago.

Tiredofit

In future I would recommend you remember what you just posted

Posted 195 days ago.

Tiredofit

I’ve cited 2 studies to support my contention that 97% of climate scientists agree greenhouse gases are altering the climate. YOU POSTED THIS A FEW MINUTES AGO

Posted 195 days ago.

harryanderson

And it wasn’t I who brought up CO2 and greenhouse gases 2 days ago when you first took issue with my “97%” comment.

I’ll repeat my comment for your convience.

Ithink wrote, “I’ll leave that to the loons.”

I replied, “I’ll leave it to the 97% of all climate scientists who agree that mankind’s activities are causing climate change.”

In the future, I believe you would benefit if you read more carefully before attempting to answer.

Posted 195 days ago.

Tiredofit

Was there one of the other questions that supports you assertion that 97% of scientists agree that greenhouse gas is changing the climate?

Posted 195 days ago.

Tiredofit

Reluctant to admit that it does not support your contention?

Posted 195 days ago.

Tiredofit

Was there any of the questions that addressed greenhouse gas?

Posted 195 days ago.

Tiredofit

Yes I am aware but the 97% claim was bases on number 2. I can post the rest of the questions if you like.

Posted 195 days ago.

harryanderson

I also suspect you didn't read the Doran study before posting. Otherwise you should have known the study contained “up to nine questions.”

Posted 195 days ago.

Tiredofit

Again I ask, how does this support your claim that 97% of scientists agree that greenhouse gas is changing climate?

Posted 195 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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