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2 days ago.
by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

For those who haven't heard, I think it’s time to restate my position on anthropogenic climate change.

I agree with Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson’s statement when he “…acknowledged that burning of fossil fuels is warming the planet, but said society will be able to adapt.”

htt p://ww w.businessinsider.c om/exxon-ceo-rex-tillerson-climate-change-2012-6#ixzz2qV1nhQjg

Tillerson has said it’s “an engineering problem with an engineering solution” and called it “manageable.”

As an optimist, I agree.

As a problem-solver, I also know that we have to address a problem before we can manage it. Fortunately, many folks are addressing the problem, despite the efforts of the counter climate change movement.

Posted 194 days ago.

harryanderson

And, Tiredofit,

I’d like to hear any answer you have to the very relevant question Kendall poses.

If mankind’s activities are changing the climate, and greenhouse gases aren’t changing the climate, what activities of mankind do you believe are changing the climate?

Huh?

Posted 194 days ago.

harryanderson

They “fully support the tenets of the (IPCC).”

The National Academy of Sciences study characterizes those tenets thusly:

“…the primary conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): anthropogenic greenhouse gases have been responsible for ‘most’ of the ‘unequivocal’ warming of the Earth’s average global temperature over the second half of the 20th century.”

Now, even though I didn’t intend to make that claim (nor do I now so claim), and later retracted it, I had already provided evidence lending weight to it.

Tiredofit ignored that evidence, and instead focused on other evidence I provided to support another claim: that 97% of climate scientists agree man’s activities are altering the climate.”

Then, while I was away earning a living, he claimed victory, even though he has never addressed the claim he says he’s debunked.

Posted 194 days ago.

harryanderson

I’ll repost my first post of the morning.

A 2010 study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that “97%-98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field fully support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.”

htt p://ww w.pnas.or g/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.full.pdf+html

Posted 194 days ago.

Kendall78

"How is that as you say an endorsement of your greenhouse theory?"

What other human activity has been discussed that could have a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?

Posted 194 days ago.

mythravere

"I will debunk your other claims soon enough."

I said that too myself in the voice of the Terminator....aaaah comedy gold.

Get to the choppa!

Posted 194 days ago.

mythravere

Take apart the claims of a warmer?

LOL!

Ok. Seriously. A lot of other "warmer" "claims" have been made....yet where have you taken them apart?

You've invested so much energy in this one little point. Why not show the same gusto as the others.

I guess this is the one where you felt you had a chance of getting somewhere right?

Posted 194 days ago.

mythravere

"And that folks is how you take apart the claims of a warmer."

hahahahahahaah LOL!

No what you did there is find a singular point of contention and then camp out on it and claim victory.

There are so many points to be talked about on this issue. Far better ones than this low hanging fruit you've latched on.

Oh my god this is hilarious.

Posted 194 days ago.

Tiredofit

Cannot link to your other study would like to see it.

Posted 194 days ago.

Tiredofit

And that folks is how you take apart the claims of a warmer.

Posted 194 days ago.

Tiredofit

Till next time.

Posted 194 days ago.

Tiredofit

I will debunk your other claims soon enough.

Posted 194 days ago.

Tiredofit

Once again heed your own advice and read my post before you attempt to answer. Read it again and try again.

Posted 194 days ago.

harryanderson

“Is there a basis for the claim that 97% of scientists agree that greenhouse gas is warming the planet. If there is, show me a study or poll that supports this exact figure.”

I already did, in the first post I made this morning. You ignored it.

Now I need to get back to work. Later.

Posted 194 days ago.

Tiredofit

A very high figure is NOT the same as saying 97% is it?

Posted 194 days ago.

Tiredofit

I have allready proven that the Doran study you referenced did not support that claim

Posted 194 days ago.

Tiredofit

Don't understand your reply, I will rephrase. Is there a basis for the claim that 97% of scientists agree that greenhouse gas is warming the planet. If there is, show me a study or poll that supports this exact figure.

Posted 194 days ago.

harryanderson

97% isn’t excluded, as you suggest by claiming “no basis.” I've provided evidence that it's a very high percentage (essentially everybody), and that it even includes "the scourge of...alarmists."

Do you agree with the Weekly Standard that essentially everybody agrees that CO2 and greenhouse gases are warming the earth?

Posted 194 days ago.

Tiredofit

Lets just stick with the facts of the study you referenced.

Posted 194 days ago.

Tiredofit

I concede that 75 self identified climate experts claim that. Question 9 established their credentials so they could have said any level of education, was there a verification of the information provided on question 9 that I am unaware of?

Posted 194 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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